Find Length of Closed Pipe for Equal Frequency

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To find the length of a closed pipe that matches the frequency of an open pipe, the initial calculations show that the open pipe, at 30 cm, produces a frequency of 550 Hz. The closed pipe must then be adjusted to produce the same frequency, leading to a derived length of approximately 0.1486 m. There were discussions about rounding errors affecting the calculations, emphasizing the importance of precision. The final consensus confirms that the correct length for the closed pipe is around 0.1486 m to achieve equal frequencies. The collaborative effort helped clarify the calculations and resolve any misunderstandings.
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Homework Statement


Open and closed pipe, give 5 beats per second.
Open pipe is 30 cm long and gives a tone of frequency f0.
Speed of sound is 330 m/s.
How long do we need to extend closed pipe so both pipes give equal frequencies?

Homework Equations


Open pipe, fn=n*f1, f1=v/(2L)
Closed pipe; fn= f*f1, f1 = v/(4L)
fbeat = f2 - f1

The Attempt at a Solution


For open pipe, I assume that f0 is f1, or basic frequency.
f=v/2L=330 ms-1 / 0,6 m = 550 Hz

fbeat = f2 - f1
5 = f2 - 550 Hz
f2 = 555 Hz.

Now we need to find the length of open pipe.
4L = v/f2
l= v/4f2= 0,15 m

Since i have the length of closed pipe, motive is to adjust it so we have frequency of 550 Hz.
4L = v/f2,
4*L = 330 ms-1/ 550 Hz
4*L = 0,6 m
L = 0,15

What did I do wrong?
 
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Now we need to find the length of open pipe.
I think you mean closed pipe? Better check that calculation, too, using 555Hz. ☹
 
diracdelta said:

The Attempt at a Solution


For open pipe, I assume that f0 is f1, or basic frequency.
f=v/2L=330 ms-1 / 0,6 m = 550 Hz

fbeat = f2 - f1
5 = f2 - 550 Hz
f2 = 555 Hz.

Now we need to find the length of open pipe.

You ment closed pipe, didn't you?

diracdelta said:
4L = v/f2
l= v/4f2=0,15 m
l= v/(4f2)=330/(4*555)=0.1486 m
You rounded off too early, too much.
diracdelta said:
Since i have the length of closed pipe, motive is to adjust it so we have frequency of 550 Hz.
4L = v/f2,
4*L = 330 ms-1/ 550 Hz
4*L = 0,6 m
L = 0,15

What did I do wrong?

You rounded off too much.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I think you mean closed pipe? Better check that calculation, too, using 555Hz. ☹
Yes. lapsus linguae :D

ehild said:
You ment closed pipe, didn't you?l= v/(4f2)=330/(4*555)=0.1486 m
You rounded off too early, too much.

You rounded off too much.

:(
I did it again, i got same result like yours.

Thanks for help guys.
You are the best :)
 
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