Find Minimum of PA + PB on $3x+2y+10=0$ given $(4,2)$ and $(2,4)$

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The discussion revolves around finding a point \( P \) on the line \( 3x+2y+10=0 \) that minimizes the sum of distances \( PA + PB \), where \( A \) is at \( (4,2) \) and \( B \) is at \( (2,4) \). The problem is framed within the context of optimization, potentially involving calculus techniques or geometric reasoning.

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  • One participant defines the objective function \( f(x,y) \) for the distances \( PA \) and \( PB \) and seeks methods to minimize it.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is likely an optimization problem suitable for Lagrange multipliers, identifying the constraint related to the line equation.
  • A different participant proposes a geometric approach, discussing the reflection of point \( B \) and the intersection of lines to find point \( P \), emphasizing the shortest path principle in Euclidean geometry.
  • Several participants express appreciation for the geometric method, indicating its effectiveness in solving the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the geometric approach to solve the problem, but there is no consensus on the preferred method, as some suggest calculus techniques while others favor geometric reasoning.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the positions of points \( A \) and \( B \) relative to the line, and the effectiveness of different methods for optimization is not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in optimization problems, particularly those involving distance minimization in geometry and calculus.

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Find a point $P$ on the line $3x+2y+10=0$ such that $PA+PB$ is minimum given that $A$ is

$(4,2)$ and $B$ is $(2,4)$

My Try:
Let Coordinate of point $P$ be $(x,y)$. Then $PA = \sqrt{(x-4)^2+(y-2)^2}$ and $PB = \sqrt{(x-2)^2+(y-4)^2}$

Now Let $f(x,y) = \sqrt{(x-4)^2+(y-2)^2}+\sqrt{(x-2)^2+(y-4)^2}$

Now How can i Minimize $f(x,y)$

Help me

Thanks
 
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Re: Minimum of PA+PB

Is this a question given in a calculus course?
 
Re: Minimum of PA+PB

I have taken the liberty of moving this thread to our Calculus subforum. A review of your recent posts seems to suggest that you were in Calculus II last term and so I feel this is most likely an optimization problem with a constraint meant to be an application of Lagrange multipliers.

So, I would identify (as you did) the objective function as:

$$f(x,y)=\sqrt{(x-4)^2+(y-2)^2}+\sqrt{(x-2)^2+(y-4)^2}$$

Subject to the constraint:

$$g(x,y)=3x+2y+10=0$$

Can you proceed from here?
 
Re: Minimum of PA+PB

jacks said:
Find a point $P$ on the line $3x+2y+10=0$ such that $PA+PB$ is minimum given that $A$ is $(4,2)$ and $B$ is $(2,4)$My Try: Let Coordinate of point $P$ be $(x,y)$. Then $PA = \sqrt{(x-4)^2+(y-2)^2}$ and $PB = \sqrt{(x-2)^2+(y-4)^2}$Now Let $f(x,y) = \sqrt{(x-4)^2+(y-2)^2}+\sqrt{(x-2)^2+(y-4)^2}$Now How can i Minimize $f(x,y)$Help meThanks


This is best solved using Euclidean geometry.
Let $l$ be a given line and $A$ and $B$ be two points given on the plane.We need to find a point $P$ on the line $l$ such that $|PA|+|PB|$ is minimum.

If $A$ and $B$ are on different sides of the line $l$, then simply join $A$ and $B$ by a straight line $m$ and the point of intersection of $l$ with $m$ is the required point $P$.

If $A$ and $B$ are on different sides of the line $l$ then reflect $B$ about the line $l$.Say $B'$ is the reflection of $B$ about $l$.Join $A$ and $B'$ through a straight line $m'$. The point of intersection of $m'$ with $l$ is the required point $P$.

If you need a justification why the above works you can ask me but I suggest you try justifying it yourself first. It is not hard. You simply need to make use of the fact that the shortest path between two points on the Euclidean plane is through the straight line passing through the points.
 
Re: Minimum of PA+PB

Nice one, caffeinemachine! (Clapping)

I can't believe I forgot the "trick of reflection" for this type of problem. (Wasntme)
 
Re: Minimum of PA+PB

MarkFL said:
Nice one, caffeinemachine! (Clapping)

I can't believe I forgot the "trick of reflection" for this type of problem. (Wasntme)
Thanks :)
 
Re: Minimum of PA+PB

Here's a diagram to go with caffeinemachine's excellent solution:

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