Find n such that both n+3 and n^2+3 are perfect cubes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on finding an integer \( n \) such that both \( n+3 \) and \( n^2+3 \) are perfect cubes. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of the properties of cubes.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if \( n+3 \) and \( n^2+3 \) are cubes, then the product \( (n+3)(n^2+3) \) can be expressed as \( n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n \).
  • Others argue that two consecutive numbers cannot both be cubes unless they are \( 0 \) and \( 1 \), and since \( n^2 + 3 \geqslant 3 \), this scenario cannot occur.
  • A participant corrects an earlier calculation, stating that \( (n+3)(n^2+3) \) should be \( n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 9 \) and relates this to cubes differing by \( 8 \).
  • It is noted that the only cubes differing by \( 8 \) are \( 0 \) and \( \pm8 \), and none of these can be expressed in the form \( n^2+3 \).
  • Some participants express frustration over the phrasing of the question, suggesting it implies a solution exists when they believe it does not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the possibility of finding such an \( n \). While some believe it is impossible, others engage with the mathematical reasoning without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the properties of cubes and their relationships.

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Find n such that both $n+3$ and $n^2+3$ are perfect cubes
 
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kaliprasad said:
Find n such that both $n+3$ and $n^2+3$ are perfect cubes

hint

product of 2 cubes is a cube
 
kaliprasad said:
hint

product of 2 cubes is a cube
[sp]So if $n+3$ and $n^2+3$ are cubes then so is $(n+3)(n^2+3) = n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n = (n+1)^3 - 1$. But two consecutive numbers cannot both be cubes unless they are $0$ and $1$. Since $n^2 + 3 \geqslant 3$, the pair $0$ and $1$ cannot arise in this way. Therefore the question is asking for something impossible (which I think is a bit sneaky! (Tongueout) ).[/sp]
 
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Opalg said:
[sp]So if $n+3$ and $n^2+3$ are cubes then so is $(n+3)(n^2+3) = n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n = (n+1)^3 - 1$. But two consecutive numbers cannot both be cubes unless they are $0$ and $1$. Since $n^2 + 3 \geqslant 3$, the pair $0$ and $1$ cannot arise in this way. Therefore the question is asking for something impossible (which I think is a bit sneaky! (Tongueout) ).[/sp]

Sorry Opalg,

product you evaluated is not correct
 
kaliprasad said:
Sorry Opalg,

product you evaluated is not correct
[sp]Oops, yes, of course it should be $(n+3)(n^2+3) = n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 9 = (n+1)^3 + 8$. But the only cubes that differ by $8$ are $0$ and $\pm8$. Since none of those numbers is of the form $n^2+3$, no such $n$ exists.

I still think it is unfair to phrase the question in a way that implies it is possible to find $n$, when in fact it is not possible.[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
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I still think it is unfair to phrase the question in a way that implies it is possible to find $n$, when in fact it is not possible.[/sp]

I do not think so. The answer is there is no such n. the set can be empty.
 

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