Find Percent Composition of Ethylene from Natural Gas Sample

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the percent composition of ethylene in a natural gas sample, specifically focusing on a combustion analysis involving methane and ethylene. Participants explore the setup of the problem, the necessary chemical equations, and the calculations required to derive the percent composition from the combustion products.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to set up the problem correctly, initially estimating the composition of ethylene and methane based on guesswork.
  • Another participant suggests writing balanced chemical equations for the combustion of methane and ethylene, emphasizing the importance of balancing reactants and products.
  • A detailed approach is proposed involving the definition of variables for the masses of methane (x) and ethylene (y), leading to the formulation of equations based on the mass of carbon dioxide produced.
  • Calculations are presented to relate the masses of the reactants to the mass of carbon dioxide produced, including the molecular weights of the compounds involved.
  • A participant corrects an earlier error regarding the stoichiometry of the combustion reaction for methane, noting the correct number of oxygen molecules required.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to set up the problem initially, as some express confusion while others provide structured approaches. There are corrections made regarding the stoichiometry, but no final agreement on the overall solution process is established.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the completeness of combustion and the accuracy of the estimated molecular weights. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical derivation, particularly in how the equations are manipulated to find the final percent compositions.

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Homework Statement


A 5.00g sample of natural gas, containing methane, CH4, and ethylene, C2H4, was burned in excess oxygen, yielding 14.5g CO2 and some H2O as products. What percent of the sample was ethylene?


Homework Equations


Moles and percent composition


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really understand how to correctly set up the problem. I know that ethylene is about 40% and methane is about 60% by guess-and-checking percents until the two gas more or less result 14.5g CO2 combined, from 5.00g sample, but this way is obviously inefficient. How is it correctly set up to result the correct and accurate answer?
 
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312213 said:

Homework Statement


A 5.00g sample of natural gas, containing methane, CH4, and ethylene, C2H4, was burned in excess oxygen, yielding 14.5g CO2 and some H2O as products. What percent of the sample was ethylene?


Homework Equations


Moles and percent composition


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really understand how to correctly set up the problem. I know that ethylene is about 40% and methane is about 60% by guess-and-checking percents until the two gas more or less result 14.5g CO2 combined, from 5.00g sample, but this way is obviously inefficient. How is it correctly set up to result the correct and accurate answer?

Write the balanced reactions for each combustion - be certain to balance reactants and products correctly. Calculate the molecular weights for methane, ethane(ethylene), and carbon dioxide.

You will have two unknown values; the mass of methane (call it x) and mass of ethylene (call it y). Using these as unknown variables, derive a formula for the resulting mass of carbon dioxide, do so for each gas compound reactant, not including the oxygen reactant (meaning just do this for the methane AND for the ethylene).

Now, you know two things: the expression with x plus the expression with y must equal 14.5 grams, and x+y must equal 5 grams.

If there were a way to construct a table into which I could put values and expressions, and if the typesetting system were easier to use, I would show you the table which I constructed on paper, but into this forum message. Try using the approach described after your quoted message.
 
312213 said:

Homework Statement


A 5.00g sample of natural gas, containing methane, CH4, and ethylene, C2H4, was burned in excess oxygen, yielding 14.5g CO2 and some H2O as products. What percent of the sample was ethylene?


Homework Equations


Moles and percent composition


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really understand how to correctly set up the problem. I know that ethylene is about 40% and methane is about 60% by guess-and-checking percents until the two gas more or less result 14.5g CO2 combined, from 5.00g sample, but this way is obviously inefficient. How is it correctly set up to result the correct and accurate answer?

Your two reactions should be:

CH4 + O2 \rightarrow CO2+ 2H2O

CH2CH2 + 3O2 \rightarrow 2CO2 + 2 waters
 
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CH4 + 2O2 \rightarrow CO2+ 2H2O
C2H4 + 3O2 \rightarrow 2CO2 + 2H2O

x = CH4
y = C2H4

x + y = 5.00 g

x × (1 mol CH4/16.0426 g CH4) × (1 mol CO2 / 1 mol CH4) × (44.009 g CO2 / 1 mol CO2) \approx 2.74326x

y × (1 mol C2H4/28.0536 g C2H4) × (2 mol CO2 / 1 mol C2H4) × (44.009 g CO2 / 1 mol CO2) \approx 3.137494y

2.74326x + 3.137494y \approx 14.5g CO2

x + y = 5.00 g \rightarrow y = 5.00 g - x


2.74326x + 3.137494(5.00 g - x) \approx 14.5g CO2
2.74326x + 15.68747 g - 3.137494x \approx 14.5g CO2
1.18747 g \approx 0.394234x
3.01209434 \approx x

x + y = 5.00 g
3.01209434 + y = 5.00 g
y \approx 1.988 g

3.01209434 / 5.00 \approx 0.602 \approx 60.2% CH4 by weight.

1.988 / 5.00 = 0.398 = 39.2% C2H4 by weight.

This looks correct. Thank you.
 
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312213 you found and corrected my error in the methane reaction: TWO oxygen molecules, not just one oxygen molecule. I trust that the rest of your work is good and will not need to actually check it. In any case, you would not need the actual coefficient of oxygen molecules from the reactants sides in the actual rest of the solution process - but maybe just to check that the reactions are being balanced.
 

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