Methane Combustion and Chemical Equilibrium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the combustion of methane (CH4) in a natural gas-fired water heater with excess air. Participants explore the calculation of product concentrations at a specified temperature, considering both stoichiometric combustion and the equilibrium of the reaction involving carbon monoxide (CO) and carbon dioxide (CO2).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework problem involving the combustion of methane and the calculation of product concentrations, noting the complexity introduced by the formation of CO.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem could be approached as a stoichiometry problem, assuming complete reaction, while also mentioning the need to consider the equilibrium reaction of 2CO + O2 <-> 2CO2.
  • A later reply confirms that a K value is provided and expresses difficulty in applying it due to a lack of prior instruction on this type of chemistry.
  • The participant mentions setting up the equilibrium expression but struggles with determining the concentrations of CO and O2, assuming Y_CO2 = 1 for simplification.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to an ICE table for assistance in organizing the information related to initial concentrations, changes, and equilibrium concentrations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with some advocating for a stoichiometric method while others emphasize the importance of considering equilibrium. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific steps to take in solving for the concentrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of the equilibrium constant K and the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the number of equations available versus the unknowns that need to be solved.

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This may belong in the Chemistry section but this is a problem from my Thermodynamics class, so I'll post it here and then move to the Chem section if need be.

Homework Statement



Methane (CH4) is the principal constituent of natural gas and is often used to represent natural gas. Consider the operation of a natural gas fired water heater operating with 15% excess air. Assuming the fuel to be CH4 and the products of the reaction to be CO2, H2O, N2, O2 , and CO, calculate the concentration (percent by volume) of each product if the temperature in the products is 1000K.

Homework Equations



CH4 + (a)(m)(O2 + 3.76N2 → bCO2 + cH2O + dN2 + eO2 + fCO

2CO2 \Leftrightarrow 2CO + O2

where:
a=moles for stoichiometric combustion
m=excess air ratio (1.15 in this case)
b,c,d,e,f = moles of products

The Attempt at a Solution



To balance equation:

From combustion reaction:
C: 1 = b+f
H: 4 = 2; c=2
O: 2*a*1.15 = c+2e+f
N: 3.76*1.15*a*2 = 2d

From dissociation reaction:
2b = 2f + e (2 CO2 makes 2CO and 1O2)

I still only have 5 equations and 6 unknowns.

There is also the equilibrium constant K that we are given a table of:

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I know how to solve the problem when CO is not created. It becomes a much simpler problem. However, when CO enters the problem, I end up with not enough equations.

Thanks for your help!
 
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Are you given K value? Look to me like it can be just a stoichiometry problem, where you are to assume reaction proceeded to the end.

Alternatively, the only equilibrium to be taken into account is 2CO + O2 <-> 2CO2
 
Yes, we are given a K value. However, we haven't been taught this type of Chemistry yet, so I'm having difficulty solving the K equation.

I know that the equation for 2CO + O2 <-> 2CO2 is used to find concentrations of the substances, but I'm not exactly sure how...

Edit: K = 3.68 x 10^-21

After I set up K = ((Y_CO)^2 x (Y_O2))/ (Y_CO2)^2 I get stuck on solving for the terms. I assume Y_CO2 = 1 because it is the only term on the right side. However, I am unsure on how to find Y_CO and Y_O2.
 
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