Find side length, cirumference and area of octagon

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The discussion revolves around calculating the side length, circumference, and area of a regular octagon formed by cutting off the vertices of a square-shaped piece of paper. The specific dimensions of the square are provided, and participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in the transformation from square to octagon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of cutting four triangles from the square and introduces a variable $x$ for the length of the shorter sides of the triangles.
  • Another participant calculates the side length of the octagon as 12 cm and proposes formulas for the area and circumference based on this length.
  • A later reply corrects the side length to $29(\sqrt2-1)$, approximately 12.012 cm, and provides a more precise perimeter calculation.
  • Participants discuss the method to find the length of the triangle cathetus cut from the square, with one suggesting it is 8.5 cm, while another provides a formula to derive $x$ from the octagon's dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact values for the side length and the length of the triangle cathetus, as participants present differing calculations and interpretations of the problem.

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Participants rely on specific mathematical relationships and assumptions about the geometry of the octagon and the square, which may not be fully resolved in their discussions.

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Square-shaped piece of paper is intended to make a regular octagon through the cutting of the vertices of a square.
The length of the piece of paper is 29 cm.
How long triangle cathetus have to be cut off from the vertices of the square?
Calculate the octagonal side length, circumference, and area.
Sorry for my english, if it's not understandable I'll try to explain it better.. but how do I do this?
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Daugava said:
Square-shaped piece of paper is intended to make a regular octagon through the cutting of the vertices of a square.
The length of the piece of paper is 29 cm.
How long triangle cathetus have to be cut off from the vertices of the square?
Calculate the octagonal side length, circumference, and area.
Sorry for my english, if it's not understandable I'll try to explain it better.. but how do I do this?
Hi Daugava, and welcome to MHB!

You want to cut four triangles from the square of paper. Suppose that the shorter sides of these triangles have length $x$ cm. Then the hypotenuse of the triangle will be $\sqrt2x$ cm. After cutting off the triangles, the sides of the square will have been shortened by $2x$ cm. You want all the sides of the resulting octagon to have the same length. That implies that $\sqrt2x = 29 - 2x$. Solve that equation to find the octagonal side length. It should then be easy to find the circumference of the octagon. For the area of the octagon, subtract the area of the four triangles from the area of the square.
 
So the side length is 12 cm
a = 12 cm
Area is 2*(1+sqrt2)a^2 = 695,3 cm^2
Circumference is 8*a = 96 cm
Is this right?
But how do I find out how long the triangle cathetus/sides are that were cut off from the vertices of the square?
Is the cut off 8,5 cm?
 
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Daugava said:
So the side length is 12 cm
a = 12 cm
Area is 2*(1+sqrt2)a^2 = 695,3 cm^2
Circumference is 8*a = 96 cm
Is this right?
But how do I find out how long the triangle cathetus/sides are that were cut off from the vertices of the square?
Is the cut off 8,5 cm?
Thank you for teaching me a new word in my own language! I did not know that a cathetus is one of the perpendicular sides of a right-angled triangle.

The side length is not precisely 12. In fact, it is $29(\sqrt2-1)$, which is approximately 12.012. The perimeter is approximately 96.0975.

The value for the cathetus comes from my previous comment above. If the cathetus is $x$ cm, then $\sqrt2x = 29 - 2x$. Solve that equation to get $x = \dfrac{29}{2+\sqrt2}.$
 

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