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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y'' - ty' + y = 1 with initial conditions y(0) = 1 and y'(0) = 2. Participants explore methods for solving the equation, particularly focusing on the use of the Laplace Transform and alternative approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the equation using the Laplace Transform and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the Laplace transform of the term ty'(t), suggesting it may be a key difficulty.
  • A different participant reiterates the concern about the Laplace transform of ty' and provides a formula related to its transformation.
  • One participant clarifies that the differentiation in the Laplace domain is with respect to s, providing a specific derivative expression.
  • Another participant argues that the given ODE cannot be solved using the Laplace Transform due to it not being an ODE with constant coefficients, proposing an integrating factor instead.
  • This participant introduces a first integral related to the ODE and derives a solution based on initial conditions, suggesting y(t) = 2t + 1.
  • Another participant agrees that the ODE is not of constant coefficients but notes that some linear differential equations with variable coefficients can be solved using the Laplace Transform, depending on the ability to solve for Y(s).
  • A participant requests an example of a linear differential equation with variable coefficients that can be solved using the Laplace Transform.
  • One participant recalls a previous attempt to solve the Bessel equation using the Laplace Transform, indicating that it can be done for the Bessel equation of order zero.
  • This participant provides a specific example of the Bessel equation and outlines steps for applying the Laplace Transform to it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Laplace Transform to the given ODE. While some argue it cannot be solved this way, others suggest that certain linear differential equations with variable coefficients can be addressed using the transform. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the original problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the Laplace Transform for the term ty'(t) and the implications of variable coefficients in the ODE. There is also mention of specific mathematical steps and expressions that may not be fully resolved.

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y'' - ty' + y = 1, y(0) = 1, y'(0) =2

I'm trying to solve by Laplace Transform and I got stuck at the end.Anyone can help me to solve it?
 
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Did you compute the Laplace transform of ty'(t) correctly? I think the Laplace transform of this term and computing the Laplace inversion later are the only diffuculty that I foresee.
 
matematikawan said:
Did you compute the Laplace transform of ty'(t) correctly? I think the Laplace transform of this term and computing the Laplace inversion later are the only diffuculty that I foresee.

The Laplace Transform of ty' = -L[y]'
 
I think so. Except that the RHS differentiation is wrt s, i.e. -\frac{dF}{ds}= -\frac{d}{ds}(sY-1)
 
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Your ODE is not an ODE with constant coefficients, so it can not be solved by Laplace Transform.

An integrating factor to your ODE

\mu=t\exp(-\frac{t^2}{2})

and corresponding first integral is

I=\exp(-\frac{t^2}{2})(t\frac {d y}{d t}-y+1)+C1

in sense that

\frac {d I}{d t}=t\exp(-\frac{t^2}{2})(\frac {d^2 y}{d t^2}-t\frac {d y}{d t}+y-1),

what is equivalent to your ODE.


Substituting t=0 in I we get

-y(0)+1=C1

and as y(0)=1 then

C1=0.

Now you have to solve first order ODE (I=0)

t\frac {d y}{d t}-y(t)+1=0.

Its solution is

y(t) = tC2+1

Your initial conditions lead to the following solution

y(t) = 2t+1
 
kosovtsov said:
Your ODE is not an ODE with constant coefficients, so it can not be solved by Laplace Transform.

Some linear DE with variable coefficients can be solve via Laplace transform. It all depends on whether we can solve for Y(s) and later invert it. In this particular case, the transformed equation will be a linear first order DE in Y(s) which I think can be solve for Y(s) quite easily. But whether it can be invert easily, need to look at the expression first.
 
matematikawan said:
Some linear DE with variable coefficients can be solve via Laplace transform
Can you give an example, please?
 
I remember some time ago somebody try to solve Bessel equation via Laplace transform.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=389727"
But that person didn't proceed to see them through.

But for the Bessel equation of order zero, it can be done.
x2y''+xy'+x2y = 0
xy''+y'+xy = 0

Apply Laplace transform and solve for Y(s)
-\frac{d}{ds}(s^2Y-as-b) + sY-a-\frac{dY}{ds}

\frac{dY}{ds}=-\frac{sY}{s^2+1}

Y(s)=\frac{A}{\sqrt{s^2+1}}

The solution will be the inversion of Y(s).
 
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