Find Sum of first 100 Terms in $(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0$ with $a_{100}=199$

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The discussion revolves around solving the recurrence relation defined by the equation $(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0$ with the condition that $a_{100}=199$. Participants are attempting to find the sum of the first 100 terms, $a_1 + a_2 + ... + a_{100}$, while exploring the implications of the recurrence relation and the values of the terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express the recurrence relation as $a_n = \frac{(n - 1)a_{n-1} - 1}{n - 2}$ and question the implications of this definition for specific values of $n$, particularly $n=2$.
  • There is a claim that if $a_2$ is undefined, then all subsequent terms $a_3, a_4, ..., a_{100}$ would also be undefined, raising concerns about the validity of the recurrence relation.
  • Another participant proposes an inductive proof to derive a formula for $a_n$, concluding that $a_n = 2n - 1$ for $n \geq 2$ and suggesting that $a_2 = 3$ based on the condition $a_{100} = 199$.
  • Some participants provide calculations for the sum of the first 100 terms based on the derived formula, while others express skepticism about the assumptions made in the derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the recurrence relation for $n=2$ and its implications for the subsequent terms. There are competing views on whether the derived formula for $a_n$ is correct and whether the sum of the terms can be accurately calculated.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the values of $a_n$ and the conditions under which the recurrence relation holds. The discussion highlights the dependency on the definitions and the potential for undefined terms in the sequence.

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$a_1,a_2,-----,a_n,--a_{100}\in R$
giving :
$(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0 $
and :$a_{100}=199$
here $(2\leq n \leq 100)$
find $a_1+a_2+a_3+------+a_{100}=?$
 
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Albert said:
$a_1,a_2,-----,a_n,--a_{100}\in R$
giving :
$(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0 $
and :$a_{100}=199$
here $(2\leq n \leq 100)$
find $a_1+a_2+a_3+------+a_{100}=?$

Just a question ... the difference equation that defines the $a_{n}$ is...

$\displaystyle a_{n}= \frac{(n - 1)\ a_{n- 1} - 1}{n - 2}\ (1)$

... isn't it?... now if we suppose to know $a_{1}$, what is the value of $a_{2}$ obtained from (1)?(Tmi)...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
If you are going to go that route then we would have to let [math]n \to 100 - n[/math] as we only know [math]a_{100}[/math].

-Dan
 
chisigma said:
Just a question ... the difference equation that defines the $a_{n}$ is...

$\displaystyle a_{n}= \frac{(n - 1)\ a_{n- 1} - 1}{n - 2}\ (1)$

... isn't it?... now if we suppose to know $a_{1}$, what is the value of $a_{2}$ obtained from (1)?(Tmi)...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
If you define $a_n \,\, as \,(1)$ then $n\neq 2$

$a_2$ will be undefined
 
Albert said:
If you define $a_n \,\, as \,(1)$ then $n\neq 2$

$a_2$ will be undefined

The problems is that if $a_{2}$ is undefined and You use (1) to find $a_{3}$, then $a_{3}$ is also undefined and the same is for $a_{4}$, $a_{5}$, ..., $a_{100}$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Albert said:
$a_1,a_2,-----,a_n,--a_{100}\in R$
giving :
$(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0 $
and :$a_{100}=199$
here $(2\leq n \leq 100)$
find $a_1+a_2+a_3+------+a_{100}=?$
[sp]Claim: For $n\geqslant2$, $a_n = (n-1)a_2 - (n-2)$.

Proof by induction: For $n=2$ this is a tautology, $a_2=a_2$.

Suppose the result is true for $n$. Then the recurrence relation $(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0 $ tells us that $$(n-1)a_{n+1} = na_n - 1 = n(n-1)a_2 - n(n-2) - 1 = n(n-1)a_2 - (n-1)^2.$$ Therefore $a_{n+1} = na_2 - (n-1)$, which is what is required to prove the inductive step.

It then follows that $199 = a_{100} = 99a_2 - 98$. So $99a_2 = 297$, from which $a_2 = 3$.

Thus the formula for $a_n$ becomes $a_n = 3(n-1) - (n-2) = 2n-1$, for $n\geqslant2$. The same formula also holds for $n=1$, as you can see by putting $n=1$ in the given recurrence relation.

Hence $$\sum_{n=1}^{100} a_n = \sum_{n=1}^{100}(2n-1) = 100(101) - 100 = 100^2.$$[/sp]
 
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Opalg said:
[sp]Claim: For $n\geqslant2$, $a_n = (n-1)a_2 - (n-2)$.

Proof by induction: For $n=2$ this is a tautology, $a_2=a_2$.

Suppose the result is true for $n$. Then the recurrence relation $(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0 $ tells us that $$(n-1)a_{n+1} = na_n - 1 = n(n-1)a_2 - n(n-2) - 1 = n(n-1)a_2 - (n-1)^2.$$ Therefore $a_{n+1} = na_2 - (n-1)$, which is what is required to prove the inductive step.

It then follows that $199 = a_{100} = 99a_2 - 98$. So $99a_2 = 297$, from which $a_2 = 3$.

Thus the formula for $a_n$ becomes $a_n = 3(n-1) - (n-2) = 2n-1$, for $n\geqslant2$. The same formula also holds for $n=1$, as you can see by putting $n=1$ in the given recurrence relation.

Hence $$\sum_{n=1}^{100} a_n = \sum_{n=1}^{100}(2n-1) = 100(101) - 100 = 100^2.$$[/sp]
nice solution!
 
Albert said:
$a_1,a_2,-----,a_n,--a_{100}\in R$
giving :
$(n-2)a_n - (n-1)a_{n-1} +1=0 ---(1)$
and :$a_{100}=199$
here $(2\leq n \leq 100)$
find $a_1+a_2+a_3+------+a_{100}=?$
n=2, we get $a_1=1-----(2)$
n=3 :$a_3-2a_2=-1$------(3)
n=4 :$2a_4-3a_3=-1$------(4)
n=5 :$3a_5-4a_4=-1$------(5)
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n=100 :$98a_{100}-99a_{99}=-1---(100)$
(3)+(4)+-------+(100):
$98a_{100}-2(a_2+a_3+---+a_{99})=-98$
$a_2+a_3------+a_{99}=9800$
$\therefore a_1+a_2+------+a_{100}=1+9800+199=10000$
in fact there is no need to find the value of $a_2$
 

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