Find Tangent Vector & Vector Equation for Curve r(t)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the tangent vector and vector equation for a curve defined by a vector-valued function, specifically at a given point. Participants explore the differentiation of the curve and the implications of the point's coordinates in relation to the curve.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially presents the curve as r(t) = 3*t*i + 2*t^2*j − 3*t^4*k and seeks guidance on finding the tangent vector and line equation.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the vector-valued function and the point P(4,8,−16), suggesting that solving for t_0 yields inconsistent results, indicating the point may not lie on the curve.
  • A participant later corrects the curve to r(t) = 2*t*i + 2*t^2*j − 2*t^3*k, expressing confusion over the previous equation.
  • Following the correction, it is noted that setting r(t_0) = P leads to consistent equations for t_0, specifically t_0 = 2.
  • Participants discuss the process of finding the derivative r′(t) and how to use it to formulate the tangent line equation L(t).
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with finding the vector and whether to solve the equation for L.
  • Another participant offers guidance on computing the derivative and substituting it into the tangent line equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the corrected form of the curve and the method to find the tangent vector and line equation. However, there is initial confusion regarding the original curve and point, leading to a discussion about the validity of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the initial confusion over the curve and point, which affected the initial approach to the problem. The discussion reflects a progression from uncertainty to clarity as the correct function is established.

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For the curve defined by
r(t) = 3*t*i + 2*t^2*j − 3*t^4*k


Find the tangent vector r′(t0) at the point P(4,8,−16), given that the position vector of P is r(t0).

and

Find the vector equation of the tangent line to the trajectory through P.

Im unsure as to how to go about solving this. I've looked for help in my textbook but it doesn't have any examples.

Is there a formula that I could use?? I think I have to differentiate r(t) then plug in the points but I am unsure if this is right??
 
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Kris said:
For the curve defined by
r(t) = 3*t*i + 2*t^2*j − 3*t^4*k


Find the tangent vector r′(t0) at the point P(4,8,−16), given that the position vector of P is r(t0).

and

Find the vector equation of the tangent line to the trajectory through P.

Im unsure as to how to go about solving this. I've looked for help in my textbook but it doesn't have any examples.

Is there a formula that I could use?? I think I have to differentiate r(t) then plug in the points but I am unsure if this is right??

Are you sure that $\mathbf{r}(t)=\langle 3t,2t^2,-3t^4\rangle$ is the correct vector valued function and that you have the correct point? For problems like this, you typically first figure out what $t_0$ is by setting $\mathbf{r}(t_0)=P$; in this case, we'd like to find a $t_0$ such that $3t_0=4$, $2t_0^2=8$ and $-3t_0^4=-16$. If you tried to solve for $t_0$ in each case, you'd get different values (which is a bad thing -- it tells you that the point doesn't lie on the vector valued curve and hence finding a tangent line makes no sense); this is why I want to make sure you have the correct function/point.

Once we get that taken care of, then you can easily find $\mathbf{r}^{\prime}(t_0)$ and furthermore the equation of the tangent line which has the equation $L(t) = \mathbf{r}^{\prime}(t_0)t + P$.

I hope this makes sense!
 
Apologies the curve is actually.

r(t) = 2*t*i + 2*t^2*j − 2*t^3*k

I provided the wrong equation from something else I was working on. I was wondering why it indeed looked odd :/ Does this look better??
 
Kris said:
Apologies the curve is actually.

r(t) = 2*t*i + 2*t^2*j − 2*t^3*k

I provided the wrong equation from something else I was working on. I was wondering why it indeed looked odd :/ Does this look better??

Yes, it does look better now. With that said, when you set $\mathbf{r}(t_0)=P$, we get the equations $2t_0=4$, $2t_0^2=8$ and $-2t_0^3=-16$. When you solve each of them for $t_0$, we get $t_0=2$. Thus, we're supposed to find $\mathbf{r}^{\prime}(2)$ and then the tangent line $L(t) = \mathbf{r}^{\prime}(2)t+(4,8,-16)$.

Do you think you can take things from here?
 
Actually no :/ I need to ask how I am going to find the vector?? Do I just solve the equation for L and then provide that as the answer?
 
Kris said:
Actually no :/ I need to ask how I am going to find the vector?? Do I just solve the equation for L and then provide that as the answer?

I'm trying not to work everything out for you, so please bear with me. :)

You first need to compute $\mathbf{r}^{\prime}(2)$. Since $\mathbf{r}(t)=\langle 2t,2t^2,-2t^3\rangle$, it follows that $\mathbf{r}^{\prime}(t)=\ldots$ and thus $\mathbf{r}^{\prime}(2)=\ldots$. Once you have this, you then plug this into the line equation I provided to get $L(t)$ and simplify.

I hope this clarifies things!
 
yes that clears things thankyou :) problem has been solved now
 

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