Find tension in a rope of a mountain climber

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The problem involves a mountain climber rappelling down a vertical cliff, with a focus on determining the tension in the rope at an angle of 12 degrees with the vertical. The climber's weight is given as 735N.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss separating forces into components and question the presence of friction in the scenario. There is uncertainty about the correct angle to use in calculations and the setup of net force equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided guidance on the components of tension and the implications of the climber's movement, while others express confusion about the equations and angles involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the absence of frictional force is a key consideration, and there is a lack of clarity regarding the angle to be used in trigonometric functions.

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Homework Statement


A 735N mountain climber is rappelling down the face of a vertical cliff as shown in the diagram. If the rope makes an angle of 12deg with the vertical face, what is the tension in the rope?


Homework Equations


Fnet=ma
trig functions
Ff=uFN


The Attempt at a Solution


I separated force into x and y components

X
---
FN-Tx=0
therefore FN=Tx

Y
----
Ff+Ty-mg=0
Ff=uFN=uTx
uTx+Ty-mg=0
uTcos78+Tsin78-mg=0

I need help from here...the answer in the book says 751N, so i don't know...maybe i setup my net force equation wrong?
 
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The mountain climber is repelling down the mountain, not sliding down the mountain. Consider this when deriving your equations.
 


Oh, so does that mean no friction force then? Or does that mean I need to change a positive sign to a negative sign in one or more of my equations? Thank you.
 


\mu_s isn't a given quantity, if you need it, where are you going to get it from?
 


there will be no frictional force
 


maldinirulz said:
there will be no frictional force

correct ^^
 


I'm lost...i think the angle to use with the trig functions is 78deg, but I'm not sure...i'm not sure how to proceed further...
 


ok, what do we know?

we know that the tension force has two components and we know that its y-component must equal (mg) in order for the man not to accelerate downward.

we know that the force of the mountain on the man must equal the x-component of the tension force in order for the man not to accelerate through the mountain.

we have the adjacent side of our force vector and we have the angle between the adjacent and the hypotenuse. Can you take it from here?
 


I will try and get back...thank you for help.
 
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1irishman said:
I will try and get back...thank you for help.

my pleasure, keep in mind that cosine is defined adjacent over hypotenuse.
 

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