Find the angle BHL using trigonometry

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The discussion revolves around finding the angle $$\angle BHL$$ using trigonometric principles. Participants explore various trigonometric relationships and calculations related to a geometric figure, including angles and side lengths, while addressing potential errors in their computations.

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  • One participant suggests starting with finding $$\angle BAL$$ and using the sine function to relate it to side $$\overline{BL}$$.
  • Another participant confirms the relationship $$\sin(\theta) = \frac{\overline{BL}}{3 \text{ km}}$$ and seeks to find $$\theta$$.
  • There is a discussion about the angle measures, with one participant calculating $$\angle BAL = 70^{\circ}$$ and using it to find $$\overline{BL}$$.
  • Participants express confusion over the correct placement of decimal points in their calculations, leading to discrepancies in side lengths.
  • One participant proposes using the tangent function to find $$\alpha$$, relating it to the sides $$\overline{BL}$$ and $$\overline{HB}$$.
  • There is an inquiry about the transformation of a tangent expression, with participants attempting to simplify and clarify their calculations.
  • Participants share their computed values for sine and cosine, discussing the implications of these values on their calculations.
  • One participant arrives at a value for $$\tan(\alpha)$$ and correlates it with an angle from the trigonometric tables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of their calculations initially, as there are multiple corrections and clarifications throughout the discussion. However, there is agreement on the final value of $$\tan(\alpha)$$ and its corresponding angle.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the accuracy of their calculations, particularly with respect to decimal placements and the application of trigonometric functions. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning that lead to confusion over the values derived from the trigonometric tables.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in trigonometry, particularly in the context of geometry and angle calculations, as well as those looking to understand common pitfalls in mathematical computations.

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Next the magnitude of $$\angle BHL$$ should be found using trigonometric tables.

Can you help me to and find the angle BHL (Smile)

Many Thanks (Smile)
 

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I think I would begin by finding $\angle {BAL}=\theta$. Then once we have that, we can find $\overline{BL}$ since:

$$\sin(\theta)=\frac{\overline{BL}}{3\text{ km}}$$

What do you find so far?
 
$$sin(θ)= \frac{BL}{3 km}$$

sin(θ) * 3 km = BL , Correct ?

Many Thanks (Smile)
 
mathlearn said:
$$sin(θ)= \frac{BL}{3 km}$$

sin(θ) * 3 km = BL , Correct ?

Many Thanks (Smile)

Yes: $$\overline{BL}=3\sin(\theta)\text{ km}$$

Can you find $\theta$ so that you can get a numeric value for $\overline{BL}$
 
Many Thanks :)

How ? Can you help me . I'm unable to find $$\theta$$

Many Thanks :)
 
Do you see how the $40^{\circ}$ angle in the diagram is repeated and within the $110^{\circ}$ angle?
 
Then $$\angle $$BAL =110-40=70 degrees $$\therefore$$

sin 70 = $$\frac{BL}{3 km}$$

By referring to the sine table sin 70 = 9.9730

9.9730 = $$\frac{BL}{3 km}$$

9.9730 x 3 km = BL

29.9190 km = BL

and thereafter AB should be found should I use the Pythagoras theorem?

Many Thanks (Smile)
 
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Yes, good! (Yes) (but watch the decimal point!)

I think I would wait until the end though to plug in for the trig. functions (this way we can round one time)...for now I would simply state:

$$\overline{BL}=3\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)\text{ km}$$

We know this represents a real number...but we don't need to throw a rounded version of it into the mix yet.

Now, can you, in a similar way, find $\overline{AB}$? Notice that $\overline{AB}$ is adjacent to $\theta$, and you know the hypotenuse (it was given)...which trig. function relates the leg in a right triangle adjacent to an angle and the hypotenuse?
 
cos 70= $$\frac{AL}{AB}$$

cos 70 = sin(90 -70)
= sin 20

sin 20= $$\frac{AL}{AB}$$

Referring to the trigonometric table,

9.5341= $$\frac{AL}{AB}$$

9.5341 x 3 km = AB

28.6023 km = AB

Found It (Smile). Note: These values seem bigger much when compared to the hypotenuse of 3 km.

Many Thanks (Smile)
 
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Yes, your values are 10 times too big, because you have the decimal point in the wrong place. :D

I would write:

$$\overline{AB}=3\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)\text{ km}$$

So, now we have:

$$\overline{HB}=\left(4.5+3\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)\right)\text{ km}$$

And we earlier found:

$$\overline{BL}=3\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)\text{ km}$$

Now, let's label:

$$\alpha=\angle {BHL}$$

We know the sides opposite and adjacent to $\alpha$...what trig. function can we use here?
 
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Many Thanks :),

The trig. function would be tan = $$\frac{adjacent side}{opposite side}$$
= $$\frac{3sin(θ) km }{(4.5+3cos(70∘))}$$


Correct?

Many Thanks (Smile)
 
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mathlearn said:
Many Thanks :),

The trig. function would be tan = $$\frac{adjacent side}{opposite side}$$
= $$\frac{3sin(θ) km }{(4.5+3cos(70∘))}$$


Correct?

Many Thanks (Smile)

Well, the definition is:

$$\text{tangent}\equiv\frac{\text{opposite}}{\text{adjacent}}$$

Now, with regards to $\alpha$, the adjacent side is:

$$\overline{HB}=\left(4.5+3\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)\right)\text{ km}$$

and the opposite side is:

$$\overline{BL}=3\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)\text{ km}$$

Hence:

$$\tan(\alpha)=\frac{3\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)\text{ km}}{\left(4.5+3\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)\right)\text{ km}}=\frac{2\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)}{3+2\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)}$$

Okay, now use your table to get the most accurate value for $\tan(\alpha)$, and then you can use your table to find the angle closest to that value for the tangent function. :)
 
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Can you explain a little on how did $$\frac{(4.5+3cos(70∘)) km}{3sin(70∘) km} $$ become $$\frac{3+2cos(70∘)}{2sin(70∘)}$$

Tan $$\theta$$ = $$\frac{3+2cos(70∘)}{2sin(70∘)}$$

cos 70 = sin(90-70) = sin 20
= $$\frac{3+2 sin(20∘)}{2 sin(70∘)}$$

= $$\frac{3+2 (9.5341)}{2 (9.9730)}$$
= $$\frac{3+19.0682}{19.946}$$
= $$\frac{22.0682}{19.946}$$

Correct ?

Many Thanks :)
 
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mathlearn said:
Can you explain a little on how did $$\frac{(4.5+3cos(70∘)) km}{3sin(70∘) km} $$ become $$\frac{3+2cos(70∘)}{2sin(70∘)}$$

Tan $$\theta$$ = $$\frac{3+2cos(70∘)}{2sin(70∘)}$$

cos 70 = sin(90-70) = sin 20
= $$\frac{3+2 sin(20∘)}{2 sin(70∘)}$$

= $$\frac{3+2 (9.5341)}{2 (9.9730)}$$
= $$\frac{3+19.0682}{19.946}$$
= $$\frac{22.0682}{19.946}$$

Correct ?

Many Thanks :)

If you multiply all those coefficients by 2/3, you get all integral coefficients...necessary? No...nicer to look at? Yes. :D

You are still using values that are ten times too large for the trig. functions...
 
  • #15
Hi,

Would you be kind enough to demonstrate please.Why are the numbers still too large for the trig? And what should I do now?

Many Thanks (Smile);
 
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Okay, we have:

$$\tan(\alpha)=\frac{3\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)\text{ km}}{\left(4.5+3\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)\right)\text{ km}}=\frac{2\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)}{3+2\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)}$$

Using my computer, I find:

$$\sin\left(70^{\circ}\right)\approx0.9397$$

$$\cos\left(70^{\circ}\right)\approx0.3420$$

You see, we should keep in mind that both cosine and sine will never have a magnitude greater than 1...can you image a right triangle in which one of the legs is longer than the hypotenuse?

Can you now (using values from your table) get an approximation for $\tan(\alpha)$?
 
  • #17
Hi,
I think you multiply twice 0.9397 and twice 0.3420 +3 and divide .

then i get 1.960200063850165 but the problem is the value is greater than one.

Many Thanks (Smile)
 
  • #18
Using the values I gave for the sine and cosine of 70 degrees, I get:

$$\tan(\alpha)\approx0.5102$$

Check your division...the denominator is larger than the numerator, so you should get a value less than 1.

However, the tangent function isn't limited in its magnitude like sine and cosine. We just happen to have a value whose magnitude is smaller than 1 in this case.

What do you get when you divide again?
 
  • #19
Hi,

I'm sorry I have divided the wrong way the denominator from the numerator by doing it the correct way I get
tan(α)≈0.5102 and by referring to the trigonometric tables I get the angle as 27 degrees and 07 minutes. Many Thanks for the tremendous effort , dedication and patience of yours. :) (Smile)

Many Thanks (Smile)
 
  • #20
Using the inverse tangent function, I find:

$$\alpha\approx27.0285^{\circ}$$, so that sounds about right. (Yes)
 
  • #21
Thank you very much again!
 

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