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The discussion revolves around finding the area of the region that lies inside both the polar curves $$r = 2$$ and $$r = 4\sin(\theta)$$. Participants explore the setup of integrals for calculating this area, including considerations of symmetry and intersections of the curves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to set up the integral for the area, suggesting an initial approach involving $$\int ^{2\pi}_0 \frac{1}{2} [ r ] ^2 dr$$.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of sketching the curves and describes the shapes and intersections of the circles represented by the polar equations.
  • It is noted that the circles intersect at $$\theta = \tfrac{\pi}{6}$$ and $$\tfrac{5\pi}{6}$$, and a method is proposed to calculate the area by focusing on the right half and multiplying by 2.
  • One participant expresses enthusiasm for the explanation provided by another, indicating it was helpful.
  • A participant mentions arriving at a negative area value of $$A = -\sqrt{3}$$ and questions whether to multiply by 2 due to symmetry.
  • Another participant reports a different area result of $$A = \frac{8\pi}{3} + 2$$ and asks if this aligns with others' findings.

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Participants express differing results for the area, with some uncertainty about the correct setup and calculations. No consensus is reached on the final area value.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential misunderstandings regarding the setup of integrals and the interpretation of area in polar coordinates.

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Find the area of the region which is inside both$$ r = 2$$ and $$r = 4sin(\theta)$$How do I set up this? would I do..

$$\int ^{2\pi}_0 \frac{1}{2} [ r ] ^2 dr$$ ?
 
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Hello, shamieh!

Obviously, you didn't make a sketch . . .

Find the area of the region which is inside both
r = 2 and r = 4\sin\theta
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r = 2\,\text{ is a circle with center at }(0,0)\text{ and radius 2.}
r =4\sin\theta\,\text{ is a circle, center at }(0,2)\text{ and radius 2.}
. . [I'm speaking in rectangular coordinates, obviously.]

The circles intersect at \theta = \tfrac{\pi}{6},\:\tfrac{5\pi}{6}

Due to the symmetry, we can find the area of the right half
. . then multiply by 2.The area of the right half is:

. . \tfrac{1}{2}\int^{\frac{\pi}{6}}_0\!\! (4\sin\theta)^2d\theta \,+\, \tfrac{1}{2}\int^{\frac{\pi}{2}}_{\frac{\pi}{6}}\!\!(2^2)\,d\theta

Got it?
 
YES! Awesome explanation!
 
I ended up with $$A = -\sqrt{3}$$ now do I need to multiply it by 2 since it's symmetrical? to get $$A =-2\sqrt{3}$$?
 
After setting up my integral properly I ended up with : $$A = \frac{8\pi}{3} + 2$$ is that what you got?
 

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