Find the equation of the line with slope -1 that is tangent to the curve y=1/x-1

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a line with a slope of -1 that is tangent to the curve defined by the equation y = 1/x - 1. Participants are exploring the relationship between the line and the curve, particularly focusing on the conditions for tangency.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rearranging the equation of the line and the curve to form a quadratic equation. There are questions about the meaning of tangency and how to manipulate the expressions involved. Some participants suggest multiplying both sides of the equation to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are attempting to verify their approaches and calculations, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the equation of the curve and the nature of tangency.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the notation used for the curve, specifically whether it is meant to be (1/x) - 1 or 1/(x-1). This ambiguity may affect the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find the equation of the line with slope -1 that is tangent to the curve y=1/x-1

Homework Equations



y=1/x-1

The Attempt at a Solution



Slope of -1 means y=-1x+k

So...
-1x+k = 1/x-1

I don't know how to rearrange this into a quadratic equation so that I can solve this.
I know I use b^2-4ac=0 and substituting for a, b and c... I'm just stuck on rearranging the equation into the form: ax^2+bx+c=0
 
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gibguitar said:

Homework Statement



Find the equation of the line with slope -1 that is tangent to the curve y=1/x-1

Homework Equations



y=1/x-1

The Attempt at a Solution



Slope of -1 means y=-1x+k

So...
-1x+k = 1/x-1

I don't know how to rearrange this into a quadratic equation so that I can solve this.
I know I use b^2-4ac=0 and substituting for a, b and c... I'm just stuck on rearranging the equation into the form: ax^2+bx+c=0
You're missing a very important piece: how to find the slope of the tangent line to y = 1/x - 1.

I'm going to guess that you are in a class that has discussed how to find the tangent to a curve.
 
OTOH, maybe this actually is a precalculus-type problem. What does it mean to say that a line is tangent to a curve?

For your equation, -x + k = 1/x - 1, what about multiplying both sides by x?
 
Mark44 said:
OTOH, maybe this actually is a precalculus-type problem. What does it mean to say that a line is tangent to a curve?

For your equation, -x + k = 1/x - 1, what about multiplying both sides by x?

(-x+k)(x) = -x^2+k(x)
(1/x-1)(x) = ?

You're right, but I'm confused as to how to multiply the second part? x/x^2-x ?
 
Here's my second stab at it...

-1x+k = 1/x-1

Rearranged: -x^2+kx-1

Using the discriminant of the quadratic formula:

(b^2-4ac)

a=-1 b=k^2 c=-1

k^2-4(-1)(-1)=0
Solving:
k = -2

Therefore the equation is y=-1x-2
For the line with a slope of -1 that is tangent to the curve of 1/x-1
Can anybody verify if I got this right?
 
gibguitar said:
Here's my second stab at it...

-1x+k = 1/x-1

Rearranged: -x^2+kx-1
Where did the = go? Also, you have an error.
gibguitar said:
Using the discriminant of the quadratic formula:

(b^2-4ac)

a=-1 b=k^2 c=-1

k^2-4(-1)(-1)
Solving:
k = -2

Therefore the equation is y=-1x-2
For the line with a slope of -1 that is tangent to the curve of 1/x-1
Can anybody verify if I got this right?
 
gibguitar said:
(-x+k)(x) = -x^2+k(x)
(1/x-1)(x) = ?

You're right, but I'm confused as to how to multiply the second part? x/x^2-x ?
What is x * (1/x)?
What is x * (-1)?
 
From post #3:
What does it mean to say that a line is tangent to a curve?
 
gibguitar said:

Homework Statement



Find the equation of the line with slope -1 that is tangent to the curve y=1/x-1

Homework Equations



y=1/x-1

The Attempt at a Solution



Slope of -1 means y=-1x+k

So...
-1x+k = 1/x-1

I don't know how to rearrange this into a quadratic equation so that I can solve this.
I know I use b^2-4ac=0 and substituting for a, b and c... I'm just stuck on rearranging the equation into the form: ax^2+bx+c=0

What you wrote means (1/x) - 1. Is that what you meant, or did you really mean 1/(x-1)? If you meant the latter, you need to use brackets, but if you meant the former then what you wrote is OK.

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
What you wrote means (1/x) - 1. Is that what you meant, or did you really mean 1/(x-1)? If you meant the latter, you need to use brackets, but if you meant the former then what you wrote is OK.
I think he meant (1/x) - 1, but I'm not certain of it.
 

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