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F:N*N -> R, F(x) = m^2 + 2n
I think the answer is N. Am I right?
I think the answer is N. Am I right?
The discussion revolves around the image of the function defined as F: N × N → R, where F(x) = m² + 2n. Participants explore the implications of different definitions of natural numbers and how they affect the image of the function.
Participants generally agree that the definition of N affects the image of the function, but multiple competing views remain regarding the inclusion of 0 in N and its implications for the image of F.
There is uncertainty regarding the definition of natural numbers, which impacts the conclusions drawn about the image of the function. The discussion also highlights the notation for set difference, which may not be universally understood.
KOO said:I think the answer is N. Am I right?
Chris L T521 said:Based on your title, we have that $F:\mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{N}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ ($\mathbb{N}\ast\mathbb{N}$ makes no sense at all) where $F(x) = m^2+2n$ (I assume here that $x=(m,n)$).
Now, depending on who you talk to, $\mathbb{N}$ may or may not include zero (the general consensus from what I've seen is that $0\notin\mathbb{N}$, but there are some professors/authors that include zero in their definition of the natural numbers; hence why I think it's best to clarify this right from the get go); that is, either $\mathbb{N}=\{x\in\mathbb{Z} : x\geq 0\}$ or $\mathbb{N}=\{x\in\mathbb{Z}: x\geq 1\}$.
If $0\in\mathbb{N}$, then $\mathrm{Im}(F)=\mathbb{N}$. If $0\notin\mathbb{N}$, then $\mathrm{Im}(F) = \mathbb{N}\backslash\{1,2,4\}$ since there aren't pairs $(m,n)\in\mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{N}$ such that $m^2+2n=1$, $m^2+2n=2$, or $m^2+2n=4$.
(In $\mathrm{Im}(F)$, note that all the positive odd numbers greater than or equal to 3 are generated by pairs of the form $(1,n)$ for $n\in\mathbb{N}$ since $1^2+2n=2n+1$, and all positive even numbers greater than or equal to 6 are generated by pairs of the form $(2,m)$ for $m\in\mathbb{N}$ since $2^2+2m = 2(m+2)$; this is why I can claim that $F(\mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{N}) = \mathbb{N}\backslash\{1,2,4\}$ for $0\notin\mathbb{N}$.)
I hope this makes sense!
KOO said:Actually I had this question on a test and you're right x=(m,n) and we're told N does not include 0.
Anyways what does \ mean?
KOO said:F:N*N -> R, F(x) = m^2 + 2n
I think the answer is N. Am I right?