Find the molecular mass of acid in acid base neutralization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the molecular mass of a diprotic weak acid (H2A) based on a titration with a monoprotic strong base (NaOH). Participants explore the stoichiometric relationships involved in the neutralization process and the implications of using a weak acid in the titration.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the molarity of H2A and derives a molecular mass of 234.375 g/mol, but expresses uncertainty about the result.
  • Another participant questions the placement of the stoichiometric coefficient (2) in the equation 2CaVa = CbVb, suggesting it may not be correct.
  • A different participant explains that the coefficient reflects the number of moles of H+ ions, reinforcing the use of 2 in the equation based on the balanced reaction H2A + 2 NaOH.
  • One participant attempts the calculation again, arriving at a different molecular mass of 58.59 g/mol, and raises a concern about the expected volume of strong base needed to neutralize a weak acid.
  • Another participant clarifies that the strength of the acid does not affect the stoichiometric amount of base required for neutralization.
  • One participant confirms their reliance on the first calculation and asserts that the moles calculated represent the entire 1.5 g sample of H2A.
  • A question is posed about whether the titration was performed on the entire 100 mL aliquot, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the experimental setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of stoichiometry in the titration calculations, with no consensus reached on the correct molecular mass of H2A or the implications of the acid's strength on the titration process.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the stoichiometric coefficients and their relevance to the calculations, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of the weak acid's behavior in the titration and whether the calculations reflect the entire sample accurately.

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Homework Statement


1.5000 g of diprotic weak acid H2A was dissolved in 100.00 mL volumetric flask.
25.00 mL aliqouts of this solution was titrated with a monoprotic strong base NaOH (0.08000 M). The titre volume of NaOH was 40.00 mL. Calculate the molecular weight of H2A.


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The Attempt at a Solution


1 mole of H2A contains 2 moles of H+
1 mole of NaOH contains 1 mole of OH-

2CaVa = CbVb
2 (Ca)(0.02500 L) = (0.0800 M)(0.04000L)
Ca = 0.0640 M

#moles of H2A = CaVa
= (0.0640 M)(0.10000 L)
= 0.00640 mol

molecular mass of H2A = mass/# moles
= 1.5000 g / 0.00640 mol
= 234.375 g/mol

My answer is 234.375 but something seems odd about it. Can anyone tell me if I missed something or did something wrong? Thanks!
 
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jessica.so said:
2CaVa = CbVb

Question is - is that 2 in the correct place?
 
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I've always been taught that the exponent in CaVa = CbVb equations is the number of moles of H+ ions or OH- ions which is why I put the 2 infront of the CaVa.

Another time I attempted this question but I balanced the neutralization first.
H2A + 2 NaOH --> 2 H2O + Na2A

CaVa = 2 CbVb
(Ca)(0.02500 L) = 2(0.0800 M)(0.04000L)
Ca = 0.256 M

#moles of H2A = CaVa
= (0.256 M)(0.10000 L)
= 0.0256 mol

molecular mass of H2A = mass/# moles
= 1.5000 g / 0.0256 mol
= 58.59 g/mol

This answer seemed wrong too somehow. One of the questions that came up was that the acid we are neutralizing is a weak acid. 25mL of this weak acid was neutralized by 40mL of strong base. Shouldn't a weak acid take less base to neutralize?
 
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Exponent? I guess you mean stoichiometric coefficient. But you were right the first time, somehow I got it reversed.

Now, the problem is - 0.00640 moles - is it whole 1.5 g sample?

Strength of the acid has nothing to do with amount of base that it needs to be neutralized. It is all in stoichiometry.
 
:eek: So sorry! Yes, I did mean the coefficient.

So...I'm using the first attempt...

2CaVa = CbVb
2(Ca)(0.02500 L) = (0.0800 M)(0.04000L)
Ca = 0.0640 M

#moles of H2A = CaVa
= (0.0640 M)(0.10000 L)
= 0.00640 mol

molecular mass of H2A = mass/# moles
= 1.5000 g / 0.00640 mol
= 234.375 g/mol

So I found the molarity of the H2A that was neutralized. Because a 25.00 mL sample was taken from the 100.00 mL solution, the molarity stays the same. 1.5000 g made the 100.00 mL solution of H2A so I think the 0.00640 mol is the whole 1.5 g sample.
 
have you titrated 100 mL aliquot?
 
No, I have not titrated 100mL
 

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