Find the range of acceleration so that the drums won't fall

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The discussion focuses on determining the range of acceleration for a system of drums to prevent them from falling. The user successfully calculated the upper bound of acceleration using Newton's second law but is uncertain about deriving the lower bound. The conversation highlights two critical scenarios: one where the top drum flies off due to excessive acceleration and another where insufficient normal forces fail to support the top drum. Understanding these conditions is essential for solving the problem accurately.

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Problem:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=19PDuyshgP6u4U9mXU3BfrF031J8wL12B
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Attempt: I tried to solve the range by listing out the Newton's 2nd laws of each drum
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Eslg2Wy3orG41eywwm_O6qN4OQ3QN-bA
and from the equations of the drum 2, I get
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=19MFda8L_YuDBlsOg1_76O3-w1rJjHhfW
Since drum 2 must stay on the bottom drums, so it will not fly up, thus
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tpDM2zHyDQ84m73GC0EgcZsNz5Q4tq1z
I got the upper bound of the acceleration, but I don't know if it is correct.My question:
Although I got the seemingly correct upper bound of the acceleration, but I don't know how I can get the lower bound of the acceleration?
 

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phinds said:
None of your images show up
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I just fixed that, now it should be fine.
 
QuantumRose said:
got the seemingly correct upper bound of the acceleration, but I don't know how I can get the lower bound of the acceleration?
Each bound corresponds to the system falling apart. In which two ways can that happen? What can you say about the normal forces in those two cases?
 
haruspex said:
Each bound corresponds to the system falling apart. In which two ways can that happen? What can you say about the normal forces in those two cases?

Well, I think there are two cases, one is for the upper bound I solved(corresponds to the top drum flying up); the other case is for the lower bound(it corresponds to the situation when the top drum is falling down, i.e. N_1 and N_2 are not enough to support the top drum.)
 

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