Find the rate that the distance between two projectiles is changing

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The problem involves finding the rate at which the distance between two projectiles is changing at a specific time, using their parametric equations. The subject area includes calculus and vector analysis, particularly focusing on derivatives and distance calculations in a two-dimensional space.

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  • Participants discuss using the distance formula and derivatives to find the rate of change of distance. There are questions about the complexity of the derivative and whether there are simpler methods available.

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Some participants have offered alternative approaches that may simplify the calculations, such as using vector notation and dot products. There is recognition that while the original method may seem complicated, it is manageable with a good understanding of the chain rule.

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Participants note the potential for overcomplication in the calculations and express a desire for hints rather than complete solutions. There is also mention of a specific time, t = pi/2, at which the evaluation is to occur.

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Homework Statement


The parameteric equations for the paths of two projectiles are given below. At what rate is the distance between the two objects changing at t = pi/2?

Homework Equations


x1=12cos(2t) y1 = 6sin(2t)
x2=6cos(t) y2 = 7sin(t)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am completely stuck. So I was thinking that I should use the distance formula

sqrt( (6cos(t) - 12cos(2t))2 + ( 7sin(t) - 6sin(2t))2))

then take the derivative of that then plug in pi/2 but that got really ugly and I think I am overcomplicating it.

I am looking for a hint here that is all. completely stuck
 
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isukatphysics69 said:
I am completely stuck. So I was thinking that I should use the distance formula

sqrt( (6cos(t) - 12cos(2t))2 + ( 7sin(t) - 6sin(2t))2))

then take the derivative of that then plug in pi/2 but that got really ugly and I think I am overcomplicating it.
Why do you believe that is over complicating it?

Also, if you know the chain rule very well the derivative isn’t that bad.

Edit: ignore the deleted part (if you saw it) about the algebra trick. I tried it and it was a bad idea. Pretty beautiful, but not less complicated.
 
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isukatphysics69 said:
I am looking for a hint here that is all. completely stuck
Your method is fine, but there is a way that's a bit less tedious.

Let ##\vec{r}_i = x_i \hat i + y_i \hat j## and ##\vec{r} = \vec{r}_1 - \vec{r}_2##. The distance ##r## between the two particles is ##\| \vec{r} \|##, so you have
$$r^2 = \vec{r}\cdot\vec{r} = (\vec{r}_1 - \vec{r}_2)\cdot(\vec{r}_1 - \vec{r}_2) = \vec{r}_1\cdot \vec{r}_1 - 2 \vec{r}_1 \cdot \vec{r}_2 + \vec{r}_2\cdot\vec{r}_2.$$ Keeping everything in terms of vectors, calculate ##d(r^2)/dt## and then evaluate the resulting expression for ##t=\pi/2##. Finally, relate ##dr/dt## to ##d(r^2)/dt##.

You might find it helpful to sketch the paths of the two particles and their locations at ##t=\pi/2##.
 
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@vela methods looks nice and it might save you the trouble of calculating a single complex derivative at the cost of calculating dot products and simpler derivatives instead.

I tend to agree with @Isaac0427 the derivative looks scary but it isn't so hard if you know the chain rule well.
 
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