Find Thrust on Cube Half-Filled w/ Water & Oil

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The problem involves a closed cubic tank that is half-filled with water and half with oil, which is tilted at a 45-degree angle. The task is to find the thrust on one of the vertical faces of the tank, taking into account the different densities of the fluids involved.

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  • Participants discuss the relative densities of water and oil, questioning the original poster's assumption about which fluid is heavier.
  • There are inquiries about how to calculate pressure at the bottom of the tank when tilted, considering both fluids.
  • Some participants suggest deriving the thrust formula from first principles, emphasizing the need for a more detailed approach to calculating forces on differential areas.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on considering the contributions of both fluids to pressure calculations. There is recognition of the need to clarify assumptions about fluid densities and the implications of the tank's tilt on pressure distribution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not mixing the fluids in calculations and the relevance of Pascal's law in understanding pressure transmission in the system.

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Homework Statement


A closed tank in the shape of a cube of side root 2 is half full with water and half with oil of relative density 1.2. The tank is placed on a horizontal table and is then tilted about one edge until the faces about this edge are inclined at 45 degrees to the horizontal. See diagram.

If the oil and the water are not mixed, find the thrust on one of the vertical faces, the side facing you in the diagram.


Homework Equations



Pressure, P = h rho g
Thrust = PA

The Attempt at a Solution


The water is on the top half because the oil is heavier. The pressure at the top half due to the water is {tex}hrhog{tex}, where h is the depth of the centre of gravity. Using Pythagoras, the height of the heighest point above the half way line is 1. CoG is 1/3 from base along median, so depth of CoG is 2/3.

P = 2/3(1000)g = 2000g/3 Pa.

For oil, Pressure = 1/3(1200)g = 400g Pa.

Total pressure = 3200g/3 Pa. Area of one face = 2.

Thrust = 2133.3333g N. The correct answer is 2066g N.

Where am I going wrong?
 
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1 - Oil is heavier than water? Hmm... You should reconsider this.
2 - If you don't tilt the tank, how will you calculate the pressure at the bottom? Is this pressure due to either water or oil? Or you must consider both? From this, how will you change your calculation of the pressure at the bottom half of the tilted tank?
3 - How did you get the formula F=PA=H\rho gA where H is the depth of the center of mass? If it's wrong, nothing to say. If it's right, you must derive it. You should calculate the element force dF on an area of dA, which consists of points from height h to height h+dh, and then sum up (or compute an integral). This is usually considered the more appropriate way.
 
hikaru1221 said:
1 - Oil is heavier than water? Hmm... You should reconsider this.
2 - If you don't tilt the tank, how will you calculate the pressure at the bottom? Is this pressure due to either water or oil? Or you must consider both? From this, how will you change your calculation of the pressure at the bottom half of the tilted tank?
3 - How did you get the formula F=PA=H\rho gA where H is the depth of the center of mass? If it's wrong, nothing to say. If it's right, you must derive it. You should calculate the element force dF on an area of dA, which consists of points from height h to height h+dh, and then sum up (or compute an integral). This is usually considered the more appropriate way.

1. The oil in this scenario is heavier than water. Water has a relative density of 1, the oil has a relative density of 1.2, so the oil is heavier.

2. I don't know, that's the problem. You have to consider both, I'm assuming.

3. The formula is in my textbook.
 
1 - Okay, you're right. I got the right answer with oil's density is 1200.
2 - It's heavier when there are 2 things weighing down on you than when there is 1 thing, right?
Consider one half at a time, don't mix them.
_ For the top half: You have P and A of the top half, then you can calculate the force on the top half.
_ For the bottom half: You must add the pressure due to the water. Remember Pascal's law? The pressure of the water should be transmitted into the oil.
 

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