Find vertex, focus, and directrix of parabola: y^2+12y+16x+68=0

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The discussion revolves around finding the vertex, focus, and directrix of the parabola defined by the equation y² + 12y + 16x + 68 = 0. Participants explore the process of rewriting the equation in a standard form and engage in mathematical reasoning related to completing the square.

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  • One participant requests assistance in finding the vertex, focus, and directrix, indicating they are struggling with the problem.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the equation to facilitate its conversion into the standard form of a parabola, providing a specific transformation.
  • A third participant emphasizes the method of completing the square as a necessary step in the process.
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  • Another participant elaborates on the process of completing the square, detailing how to derive the vertex and characteristics of the parabola from the transformed equation.
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Find the vertex, focus, and directrix of the following parabola:

y^2+12y+16x+68=0

The form we have been using is (y-k)^2=4p(x-h)

Any explanation would help too, I'm really stuck on this one.

Thank you!
 
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Hint: Rewrite the equation of the parabola as
$$16x\ =\ 68-12y-y^2\ =\ 104-(y+6)^2$$
whence
$$(y+6)^2\ =\ 104-16x\ =\ 4(-4)\left(x-\frac{13}2\right)$$
in the form you have been using.
 
In other words "complete the square".
 
Beer soaked correction follows.
Olinguito said:
$$(y+6)^2\ =\ 104-16x\ =\ 4(-4)\left(x-\frac{13}2\right)$$

When I saw this a month ago, I plotted it with my graphing app along with the OP's y^2+12y+16x+68=0. They didn't match. I figured somebody will come along with a correction but nobody did. Forgot about it till I decided to remove a few open tabs and saw it again. I guess nobody here is no longer double checking.

That should have been
$$(y+6)^2=4(-4)(x+2)$$
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Edit: Just realized something else. This thread is a year old already. Country Boy's post made me think it was just new a month ago.
 
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"Completing the square" as I suggested above:

A "perfect square" is of the form $(y+ a)^2= y^2+ 2ay+ a^2$. Comparing $y^2+ 2ay$ with $y^2+ 12y$ we must have $2ay= 12y$ so a= 6 and then $a^2= 36$. We need to add 36 to make this a "perfect square".
We can't just add a number to an expression and have the same numerical value but we can add and subtract the same number: $y^2+ 12y= y^2+ 12y+ 36-36= (y+ 6)^2- 36$.
So $y^2+12y+16x+68= (y+ 6)^2- 36+ 16x+ 68= (y+ 6)^2+ 16x+ 32= 0$.
$16x= -(y+6)^2- 32$
$x= -\frac{1}{16}(y+ 6)^2- 32$.
Now, that is a parabola with horizontal axis (parallel to the x-axis), opening to the left. Since a square in never negative, that is $-32$ minus something. x will be largest when $(y+ 6)^2= 0$, y= 6, where x= -32. The vertex is at (-32, -6).
When y= 0, $x= -\frac{1}{16}(0- 6)^2- 32= -\frac{9}{4}- 32= -34.25$. The x- intercept is at (-34.25, 0).
Since the leading coefficient, $-\frac{1}{16}$, is negative, the parabola opens to the left and never crosses the y- axis. There is no y- intercept.
 
Beer soaked correction follows.
Country Boy said:
$x= -\frac{1}{16}(y+ 6)^2- 32$.
That should have been
$x= -\frac{1}{16}(y+ 6)^2- \frac{32}{16}$
 
And $\frac{32}{16}= 2$! Yes, thank you.
 
Tequila soaked ramblings follow.
Country Boy said:
And $\frac{32}{16}= 2$! Yes, thank you.
It need not be said but this of course invalidates some the rest after
$x= -\frac{1}{16}(y+ 6)^2- 32$

Cheers.
 
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