Find wavelength, frequency and speed of a wave,

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The discussion centers around a problem involving wave properties, specifically focusing on determining the wavelength, speed, and frequency of a wave represented by a diagram of a rope. Participants are tasked with interpreting the wave characteristics based on given measurements and time intervals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of wavelength, with some expressing uncertainty about whether it is 1.6 m or 3.2 m based on the total distance of the rope and the number of waves present. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the total length of the rope and the wavelength.
  • Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind the wavelength being considered as 2/3 of the total distance, with some participants seeking clarification on this assumption.
  • There is a discussion about calculating wave speed and frequency based on the time taken for the wave to travel a certain distance, with participants sharing their calculations and expressing doubts about their correctness.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and interpretations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct understanding of wavelength in relation to wave motion, but there is still a lack of consensus on certain points, particularly concerning the assumptions about wavelength and its measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of wave properties and measurements, with some expressing confusion about the definitions and relationships involved. There is an emphasis on understanding the nature of waves, particularly in the context of standing waves versus traveling waves.

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So I was given this diagram to a wave of a rope.
the following questions i have to answer...

1) Find the wavelength in metres.
2) If the time that the wave takes to move from point X to point Y is 6.0 s, determine the speed of the wave and its frequency
3)Find the speed and wavelength if the frequency of the source changed to 2.0 Hz and explain your reasoning.

I have answered these three mostly but I am doubtful about how correct they are, especially #1 and #3

· Find the wavelength in metres ***(this question I feel was confusing because I wasnt sure if the wavelength is actually 1.6 m or 3.2m)

4.8m / 3 waves = 1.6m per wave

Wavelength is 2/3 of the total distance of rope.

2/3 = 0.67

4.8m x 0.67

Λ= 3.2m

The wavelength is 3.2 m.

· If the time that the wave takes to move from point X to point Y is 6.0 s, determine the speed of the wave and its frequencyΔd= 4.8m

Δt= 6.0 s

Λ= 3.2m

v= Δd/Δt

v= 4.8m/6.0s

v= 0.8m/s

The speed of a wave in this equation is 0.8 metres per second.



f= v/Λ

f= 0.8 m per second/3.2m

f= 0.25 Hz

The frequency of the wave in this equation is 0.25 Hz.3) · Find the speed and wavelength if the frequency of the source changed to 2.0 Hz and explain your reasoning. *****(I came up with several answers but was not really convinced any of them were right)
 
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selma said:
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So I was given this diagram to a wave of a rope.
the following questions i have to answer...

1) Find the wavelength in metres.
2) If the time that the wave takes to move from point X to point Y is 6.0 s, determine the speed of the wave and its frequency
3)Find the speed and wavelength if the frequency of the source changed to 2.0 Hz and explain your reasoning.

I have answered these three mostly but I am doubtful about how correct they are, especially #1 and #3

· Find the wavelength in metres ***(this question I feel was confusing because I wasnt sure if the wavelength is actually 1.6 m or 3.2m)

4.8m / 3 waves = 1.6m per wave
Correct, there is three full wavelength along the rope, why do you think it is not true?
selma said:
Wavelength is 2/3 of the total distance of rope.

2/3 = 0.67

4.8m x 0.67

Λ= 3.2m

The wavelength is 3.2 m.

selma said:
· If the time that the wave takes to move from point X to point Y is 6.0 s, determine the speed of the wave and its frequencyΔd= 4.8m

Δt= 6.0 s

Λ= 3.2m

v= Δd/Δt

v= 4.8m/6.0s

v= 0.8m/s

The speed of a wave in this equation is 0.8 metres per second.
Correct.
 
Hi Ehild, thanks so much for your response, I read somewhere that generally the wavelength is 2/3 if the entire wave :S
 
selma said:
Hi Ehild, thanks so much for your response, I read somewhere that generally the wavelength is 2/3 if the entire wave :S
I do not understand. The wave is kind of motion, it has no length. The wavelength is the repeating part of the wave in space. In the figure, it is the length of the red piece of line, including one crest and one trough of the wave.
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ehild said:
I do not understand. The wave is kind of motion, it has no length. The wavelength is the repeating part of the wave in space. In the figure, it is the length of the red piece of line, including one crest and one trough of the wave.
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I am not sure but I did find that somewhere on that web, that generally wavelength is 2/3 of a wave in measurement
 
selma said:
I am not sure but I did find that somewhere on that web, that generally wavelength is 2/3 of a wave in measurement
What do you mean on "wave in measurement"? What kind of measurement?
A wave is a motion, it has no length. Have you seen water waves, coming in from the depth of a sea or from a lake towards the shore? Sound is also wave motion. You can hear the sound of thunderstorm from very far away, and you know that the wavelength of the sound is in the range of meters. Do you state that you can hear a bolt only if it is a few meter distance from you ?
You are confused with the standing waves appearing on a rope of finite length. If both ends of the rope are fixed, standing waves appear if the length of the rope L is integer multiple of the half wavelength, that is L=m(λ/2). In that case you get a pattern like in the figure below, but the figure in your first post showed a traveling wave.

https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b7d7c2be0c89df2bdece35e64227b7b7?convert_to_webp=true
 
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