Find x- and y- Intercepts....1

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The discussion revolves around finding the x- and y-intercepts of the polynomial function y = 7x^3 + 3x^2 - 21x - 9. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in determining these intercepts, including factoring and solving equations. The conversation includes aspects of mathematical reasoning and clarification of concepts related to square roots.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the y-intercept as -9 by substituting x = 0 into the equation.
  • Participants discuss the x-intercepts, with one stating they are (-3/7, 0) and (sqrt{3}, 0), while another later corrects this to indicate the second x-intercept should be sqrt{3} instead of sqrt{x}.
  • There is a clarification regarding the factorization of x^2 - 3 = 0, leading to the roots x = ±sqrt{3}.
  • Several participants express confusion about why taking the square root yields two answers, prompting a discussion on the nature of squaring numbers.
  • One participant references an external article to provide additional context on the square root concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation of the y-intercept. However, there is some confusion and correction regarding the x-intercepts, particularly the notation used for sqrt{3}. Additionally, the discussion about the nature of square roots reveals differing levels of understanding, but no consensus is reached on the explanation.

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Participants express uncertainty about the notation used for square roots and the implications of taking square roots of squared values. The discussion does not resolve the confusion surrounding the interpretation of square roots and their properties.

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Students learning about polynomial functions and intercepts, individuals interested in mathematical reasoning related to square roots, and those seeking clarification on factorization methods may find this discussion beneficial.

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Find the x- and y- intercepts.

y = 7x^3 + 3x^2 - 21x - 9

Solution:

Let x = 0

y = 7(0)^3 + 3(0)^2 - 21(0) - 9

y = -9

The graph crosses the y-axis at the point (0, -9).

Let y = 0

0 = 7x^3 + 3x^2 - 21x - 9

Factor by grouping.

7x^3 + 3x^2 = Group A

x^2(7x + 3)

-21x - 9 = Group B

-3(7x + 3)

x^2(7x + 3) -3(7x + 3)

(x^2 - 3)(7x + 3)

Set each factor to 0.

x^2 - 3

x^2 = 3

sqrt{x^2} = sqrt{3}

x = sqrt{3}

7x + 3 = 0

7x = - 3

x = -3/7

This means the graph crosses the x-axis at the points
(-3/7, 0) and (sqrt{3}, 0).

Answers:

y-intercept: -9

x-intercept: -3/7 & sqrt{3}

Is any of this correct?

I meant sqrt{3} not sqrt{x}.
 
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This means the graph crosses the x-axis at the points
(-3/7, 0) and (sqrt{x}, 0).

Answers:

y-intercept: -9

x-intercept: -3/7 & sqrt{x}

x = -3/7 works ... sqrt{x}?

solve the factor $x^2-3 = 0$ again for its two roots ...
 
skeeter said:
x = -3/7 works ... sqrt{x}?

solve the factor $x^2-3 = 0$ again for its two roots ...

I meant sqrt{3} not sqrt{x}.

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x^2 - 3 = 0

x^2 = 3

sqrt{x^2} = sqrt{3}

x = sqrt{3}
 
RTCNTC said:
I meant sqrt{3} not sqrt{x}.

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x^2 - 3 = 0

x^2 = 3

At this point, you can say:

$$x=\pm\sqrt{3}$$ :D
 
$x^2-3=0 \implies (x-\sqrt{3})(x+\sqrt{3})=0$

or ...

$x^2=3$

$\sqrt{x^2} = \sqrt{3}$

$|x| = \sqrt{3} \implies x = \pm \sqrt{3}$
 
Why do we always get two answers when taking the square root?

For example, the square root of 4 is -2 and 2. Why?
 
RTCNTC said:
Why do we always get two answers when taking the square root?

For example, the square root of 4 is -2 and 2. Why?
Because the square of 2 is 4 and the square of -2 is 4.

If a^2= y then (-a)^2= y also.
 
Ok. Interesting.
 

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