Find x such that the given trigonometric expression equals zero.

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of \( x \) such that the trigonometric expression \(\dfrac{\sin (3x) \cos (60^{\circ}-x)+1}{\sin (60^{\circ}-7x)-\cos (30^{\circ}+x)+m}=0\) holds true, where \( m \) is a fixed real number. Participants explore the roots of the numerator and the implications of the expression being equal to zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the numerator has no real roots based on a graphing tool, suggesting that they are unable to factor it and may be missing important information.
  • Another participant argues that if a real solution exists, it must satisfy \(\sin(3x)\cos(60-x)=-1\), leading to two cases that they claim do not yield solutions.
  • Some participants emphasize that a fraction is zero if and only if the numerator is zero, suggesting that the earlier claim about the numerator's roots is sufficient.
  • One participant proposes \( x = 30 \) degrees as a potential solution, but this is later challenged and corrected to \( x = -30 \) degrees, indicating confusion over the correct value.
  • Another participant acknowledges their mistake regarding the value of \( x \) and attempts to clarify the conditions under which the expression holds.
  • Several participants reference the identity \(\cos^2 x + \sin^2 x = 1\) in their responses, though the relevance to the original problem remains unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a solution, with some arguing that no real solutions exist while others propose specific values for \( x \) that they believe may satisfy the expression.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the roots of the numerator and the implications of the trigonometric identities used. The discussion includes corrections and clarifications that reflect the evolving understanding of the problem.

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Find [FONT=MathJax_Math]$$x$$ such that trigonometric $$\dfrac{\sin (3x) \cos (60^{\circ}-x)+1}{\sin (60^{\circ}-7x)-\cos (30^{\circ}+x)+m}=0$$ where $$m$$ is a fixed real number.

Hi all, I know the expression in the numerator has no real roots by checking it at W|A (plot the graph of y=sin(3x)cos(pi/3 -x)+1 - Wolfram|Alpha) and I daringly assumed the given expression can be rewritten in the form $$\dfrac{ab}{ac}=0$$ but, I failed to factor the numerator no matter how hard that I tried. I must be missing something very important here.

Could anyone please help me out with this problem?

Thanks.
 
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anemone said:
Find [FONT=MathJax_Math]$$x$$ such that trigonometric $$\dfrac{\sin (3x) \cos (60^{\circ}-x)+1}{\sin (60^{\circ}-7x)-\cos (30^{\circ}+x)+m}=0$$ where $$m$$ is a fixed real number.

Hi all, I know the expression in the numerator has no real roots by checking it at W|A (plot the graph of y=sin(3x)cos(pi/3 -x)+1 - Wolfram|Alpha) and I daringly assumed the given expression can be rewritten in the form $$\dfrac{ab}{ac}=0$$ but, I failed to factor the numerator no matter how hard that I tried. I must be missing something very important here.

Could anyone please help me out with this problem?

Thanks.
I don't think there is a real solution to this. For if $x$ is a real number satisfying this then we must have $\sin(3x)\cos (60-x)=-1$.

Thus we either have:
$\sin(3x)=1, \cos(60-x)=-1$
Or we have:
$\sin(3x)=-1,\cos(60-x)=1$.

Both of these two cases fail to have a solution. (You can check this analytically, that is, you don't need a machine for this.)
 
A fraction is 0 if and only if the numerator is 0 so "I know the expression in the numerator has no real roots" is all you need.
 
HallsofIvy said:
A fraction is 0 if and only if the numerator is 0 so "I know the expression in the numerator has no real roots" is all you need.

However the correct solution is missed. if we taken x = 30 ( assuming degrees)

sin 3x = - 1 and cos (60-x) = cos 90 = 1 we get

sin 3x cos(60-x) = - 1
 
kaliprasad said:
However the correct solution is missed. if we taken x = 30 ( assuming degrees)

sin 3x = - 1 and cos (60-x) = cos 90 = 1 we get

sin 3x cos(60-x) = - 1

Not correct.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Not correct.

sorry. It was my mistake it should be -30 and not 30.

it was an oversite

then sin (- 90) = - 1 and cos (60-(-30)) = cos 90 = 1
 
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kaliprasad said:
sorry. It was my mistake it should be -30 and not 30.

it was an oversite

then sin (- 90) = - 1 and cos (60-(-30)) = cos 90 = 1

cos (90)=0 .
 
This can be seen by

$$\cos^2 x +\sin^2 x =1 $$

The sum is always 1.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
This can be seen by

$$\cos^2 x +\sin^2 x =1 $$

The sum is always 1.
I realize

it was my goofup
thanks
 

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