Finding (2+6i)^(1/3): Proving a+bi Assumption is Correct

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The discussion revolves around finding the cube root of the complex number (2+6i) and the justification for expressing complex numbers in the form z=a+bi. Participants explore the implications of this representation and seek to understand its correctness and uniqueness.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of the assumption that any complex number can be expressed as z=a+bi and seek proof of its correctness.
  • Others provide definitions and properties of complex numbers, explaining how they can be represented as ordered pairs of real numbers.
  • There is a discussion about the uniqueness of the representation, with some asserting that if z can be expressed in two different forms, the components must be equal.
  • Participants suggest a method for finding (2+6i)^(1/3) by expressing the answer as a+bi and equating the real and imaginary parts after cubing.
  • Some participants reiterate the definition of complex numbers and the identification of real numbers within this framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that complex numbers can be expressed in the form z=a+bi, but there is some contention regarding the nature of this representation as an assumption versus a definition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question of proving the assumption's correctness.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various definitions and properties of complex numbers, but it does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to find (2+6i)^(1/3) or the implications of the representation of complex numbers.

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Find (2+6i)^(1/3). Then we need to let z=a+bi, then z^3... Then we will get a=? And b=?
Why we can do z=a+bi assumption? Any prove show what we assume is correct and how do we know the answer come out is correct?
 
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Sorry, can you tell what is the subtopic of my question in the reference given. Thanks
 
Outrageous said:
Find (2+6i)^(1/3). Then we need to let z=a+bi, then z^3... Then we will get a=? And b=?
Why we can do z=a+bi assumption? Any prove show what we assume is correct and how do we know the answer come out is correct?
I'm not sure what you mean by "z= a+ bi assumption". Typically that is NOT an "assumption", it is one way of defining complex numbers.

A more formal definition, from which you can then derive "z= a+ bi" is this:
The complex numbers is the set of all pairs of real numbers, (a, b), with addition defined by (a, b)+ (c, d)= (a+ c, b+ d), and with multipication defined by (a, b)(c, d)= (ac- bd, bc+ ad). One can then show that the usual "properties" of arithmetic (commutativity, associativity, etc.) hold. One can also show that the subset of all pairs in which the second member is 0 is "isomophic" to (identical to) the set of real numbers: (a, 0)+ (b, 0)= (a+ b, 0+ 0)= (a+ b, 0) and (a, 0)(b, 0)= (ab- 0(0), a(0)+ 0(b))= (ab, 0). We can "identify" complex numbers of the form (a, 0) with the real number, a.

One can also show that [itex](0, 1)^2= -1[/itex]: (0, 1)(0, 1)= (0(0)- 1(1), 0(1)+1(0))= (-1, 0) which, as above, we identify with the real number -1. We define "i= (0, 1)" so that [itex]i^2= -1[/itex]. And, then, we can write (a, b)= (a, 0)+ (0, b)= (a, 0)+ (b, 0)(0, 1)= a+ bi.
 
HallsofIvy said:
One can also show that [itex](0, 1)^2= -1[/itex]: (0, 1)(0, 1)= (0(0)- 1(1), 0(1)+1(0))= (-1, 0) which, as above, we identify with the real number -1. We define "i= (0, 1)" so that [itex]i^2= -1[/itex]. And, then, we can write (a, b)= (a, 0)+ (0, b)= (a, 0)+ (b, 0)(0, 1)= a+ bi.

Thank you.
Can I say all the number actually is the combination of real and imaginary number.
As you say" We can "identify" complex numbers of the form (a, 0) with the real number, a"
 
Yes, that is write. By any definition of "complex" number, we can write any complex number in the form z= a+ bi for some real numbers "a" and "b". That form is also "unique" that is, if z= a1+ b1i and the same z= a2+ b2i, we must have a1= a2 and b1= b2.

Now, in this problem, attempting to find (2+ 6i)1/3, they are suggesting that you write the answer as "a+ bi", find (a+ bi)3 and set the "real" and "imaginary" parts equal. For example, (a+ bi)2= (a+ bi)(a+ bi)= a2+ 2abi+ b2i2= (a2- b2+ 3abi. If we wanted to find (1+ i)1/2, we could now set s2- b2= 1 and ab= 1, giving two equations to solve for a and b.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, that is write. By any definition of "complex" number, we can write any complex number in the form z= a+ bi for some real numbers "a" and "b". That form is also "unique" that is, if z= a1+ b1i and the same z= a2+ b2i, we must have a1= a2 and b1= b2.

Now, in this problem, attempting to find (2+ 6i)1/3, they are suggesting that you write the answer as "a+ bi", find (a+ bi)3 and set the "real" and "imaginary" parts equal. For example, (a+ bi)2= (a+ bi)(a+ bi)= a2+ 2abi+ b2i2= (a2- b2+ 3abi. If we wanted to find (1+ i)1/2, we could now set s2- b2= 1 and ab= 1, giving two equations to solve for a and b.


Thanks a lot :!)
 

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