Finding a domain for a function

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The discussion revolves around finding the domain of the function f(x) = 1/sqrt(x^2 - 4x cos(θ) + 4), where θ is constrained to the interval [0, π]. Participants explore the conditions under which the denominator is positive, leading to various interpretations of the function's behavior based on the values of x and θ.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of ensuring the denominator is greater than zero and the implications of using the quadratic formula. Some question the validity of certain algebraic manipulations and the interpretation of the function as dependent on both x and θ.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the function's variables and the implications of the quadratic discriminant. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by treating θ as either a variable or a parameter.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the function's definition leads to a two-dimensional domain in the x-θ plane, and there is a discussion about the nature of the roots of the quadratic expression involved.

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Homework Statement
Find the domain of this Function:
Relevant Equations
Quadratic Formula, Trig. Identity.
I am having some trouble find the domain with this function: ##f(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4}}## and ##\theta\in[0,\pi]##.I know that the denominator needs to be greater than 0. So ##\sqrt{x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4}>0##. I squared both side of the inequality, ##x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4>0##. Then I use the quadratic formula in terms of x: ##x>\frac{4\cos(\theta)\pm\sqrt{16(\cos(\theta)^2-16}}{2}##. With some simplification and using the trig. identity, I got ##x> 2\cos(\theta)\pm 2\sin(\theta)##. But I do not know how to proceed from here.

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cbarker1
 
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cbarker1 said:
Then I use the quadratic formula in terms of x
Why ? That gives you the values of x where ##x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4=0## -- if any !
And it is immediately clear that there are no such points if ##\cos\theta\ne 1##.
cbarker1 said:
With some simplification and using the trig. identity
I wonder how you do that ?

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Because the original function have a square root in the denominator. I can pull out the ##\sqrt{16}\sqrt{\cos(\theta)^2-1}=4\sqrt{\cos(\theta)^2-1}##. I realized the trig identity for ##\sqrt{\cos(\theta)-1}## does not exist. So then, the only values will not work is when ##\sqrt{\cos(\theta)-1}>0##.
 
cbarker1 said:
I am having some trouble find the domain with this function:
##f(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4}}## and ##\theta\in[0,\pi]##.
It seems to me that f is a function of two variables, x and ##\theta##, not just x. So then the domain would be a two-dimensional region in the ##x-\theta## plane.
 
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If the thing in the square root is zero, the function is clearly not defined. If the thing in the square root is negative, it's also not defined. How is the region where it's negative related to the region where it's zero?
 
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cbarker1 said:
Because the original function have a square root in the denominator. I can pull out the ##\sqrt{16}\sqrt{\cos(\theta)^2-1}=4\sqrt{\cos(\theta)^2-1}##. I realized the trig identity for ##\sqrt{\cos(\theta)-1}## does not exist. So then, the only values will not work is when ##\sqrt{\cos(\theta)-1}>0##.
Doesn't make sense. ##\cos\theta - 1 ## is never ##> 0## !

If 'it doesn't work' that means the original function can be evaluated.

How about writing ## \ x^2-4x\cos\theta+4 \ ## as ##(x-2\cos\theta)^2+4 (1-\cos^2\theta)## ?
The first one is ##\ge \ (x-2)^2 \ ## and the second one ##\ge 0 ## and you only have one point to investigate.

Mark44 said:
It seems to me that f is a function of two variables, x and ##\theta##, not just x. So then the domain would be a two-dimensional region in the ##x-\theta## plane.
##\theta\in[0,\pi]## is given.
 
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BvU said:
##\theta\in[0,\pi]## is given.
Right, but should ##\theta## be considered a variable, in which case we have f being a function of two variables? Or should ##\theta## be considered a parameter, an unspecified, but fixed, value? In either case, the value of f depends on the choice of both x and ##\theta##.
 
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cbarker1 said:
Homework Statement:: Find the domain of this Function:
Relevant Equations:: Quadratic Formula, Trig. Identity.

I am having some trouble find the domain with this function: ##f(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4}}## and ##\theta\in[0,\pi]##.I know that the denominator needs to be greater than 0. So ##\sqrt{x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4}>0##. I squared both side of the inequality, ##x^2-4x\cos(\theta)+4>0##. Then I use the quadratic formula in terms of x: ##x>\frac{4\cos(\theta)\pm\sqrt{16(\cos(\theta)^2-16}}{2}##. With some simplification and using the trig. identity, I got ##x> 2\cos(\theta)\pm 2\sin(\theta)##.

Look again at the discriminant: <br /> 16\cos^2\theta -16 = 16(\cos^2 \theta - 1) \leq 0 so there are no real roots unless \cos^2 \theta = 1, when there is exactly one real root.
 
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