Finding a set which is not equinumerous with series of sets

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The discussion revolves around finding an infinite set that is not equinumerous with the series of sets defined by \( A_n \), where \( A_1=\mathbb{Z^+} \) and \( A_{n+1}=\mathcal{P}(A_n) \). Participants explore various approaches and ideas related to this problem, including the use of induction and the properties of power sets.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests considering the set \( \mathbb{Z^+} \times \mathbb{R} \) as a candidate for a set that is not equinumerous with \( A_n \) for any \( n \in \mathbb{Z^+} \).
  • Another participant proposes the union of all sets \( \bigcup\limits_n A_n \) as a potential candidate for a set that is not equinumerous with \( A_n \).
  • One participant expresses the intention to use induction to prove that \( A_n \) is not equinumerous with \( \bigcup_{n\in \mathbb{Z^+}} A_n \), suggesting that assuming the negation leads to a contradiction.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between the cardinalities of the sets, noting that \( \left\| {A_n } \right\| \prec \left\| {A_{n + 1} } \right\| \) for all \( n \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the potential sets that could be not equinumerous with \( A_n \). The discussion remains unresolved as no consensus is reached on a definitive answer or method.

Contextual Notes

Participants explore various assumptions and implications related to cardinality and power sets, but the discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which their arguments hold.

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Hi
Let \( A_1=\mathbb{Z^+} \) and \( \forall n\in \mathbb{Z^+}\) let \( A_{n+1}=\mathcal{P}(A_n) \)

I have to come up with an infinite set which is not equinumerous with \( A_n \) for any \( n\in \mathbb{Z^+} \).
Clearly \( \mathbb{R}\) will not fit the bill since \( \mathbb{R}\;\sim\; A_2 \). So I was thinking of
the set \( \mathbb{Z^+}\times \mathbb{R} \). I will need to use induction here. But does my test function seem
right ?

Thanks
(Emo)
 
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IssacNewton said:
Hi
Let \( A_1=\mathbb{Z^+} \) and \( \forall n\in \mathbb{Z^+}\) let \( A_{n+1}=\mathcal{P}(A_n) \)
I have to come up with an infinite set which is not equinumerous with \( A_n \) for any \( n\in \mathbb{Z^+} \).
Have you considered $\displaystyle\bigcup\limits_n {A_n }~? $
 
Ok, Plato I will try working on it. I think induction would be the way to go ...
 
IssacNewton said:
Ok, Plato I will try working on it. I think induction would be the way to go ...
Well $\forall n$ we know that $\left\| {A_n } \right\| \prec \left\| {A_{n + 1} } \right\|$.
 
So what I have to prove is that

\[ \forall\; n\in \mathbb{Z^+}\left [ A_n \nsim \bigcup_{n\in \mathbb{Z^+}} A_n\right ] \]

I figured that this is can be easily done by assuming negation and getting a contradiction that some set is equinumerous with its power set.
 

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