Finding accleration and tension as an elevator moves upwards/downwards.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an elevator's acceleration and the tension in the supporting cable as it moves upwards and downwards. The scenario includes a student standing on a scale inside the elevator, with various readings provided for different states of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the scale readings and the elevator's acceleration, questioning how the direction of acceleration affects tension in the cable. They discuss the implications of the calculated accelerations and the forces acting on the elevator.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the direction of acceleration and how it influences tension. Some have attempted calculations and are seeking validation of their reasoning, while others are prompting further exploration of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on understanding the implications of the total mass of the elevator system, which includes the student, and how this affects the calculations for tension and acceleration. Participants are also considering the significance of the negative acceleration value obtained in part A.

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Homework Statement

A 593 N physics student stands on a bathroom scale in an 875 kg (including the student) elevator that is supported by a cable. As the elevator starts moving, the scale reads 424 N.

A. Find the magnitude of the acceleration of the elevator.

B. What is the acceleration if the scale reads 639 N?

C. What is the tension in the cable in part A?

D. What is the tension in the cable in part B?

Homework Equations



ƩF = ma

T= ma +mg

The Attempt at a Solution



A. 424-593 =60.5a
-2.79 = a

B. 639-593= 60.5a
0.76 = a

C. (875)(2.79)+(593) =T
3034 N = T

D. (875)(.76) + 593
1259 N = T

Is this right? Thanks.

Also, would acceleration stay negative for part C?
 
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Lets deal with this question first.
"Also, would acceleration stay negative for part C?"

Well what did you calculate as the acceleration in part a)?
Why would you think that answer would change?

and then parts c) and D)
Which way is the elevator accelerating in part A) and Part B) ie up or down.

If the elevator is accelerating up or down, in which case then would the tension in the cable be greater or lessor than before the elevator started moving?

Draw a FBD to obtain all the forces on the elevator.

And what does this mean in the problem
" 875 kg (including the student) elevator "
 
256bits said:
Lets deal with this question first.
"Also, would acceleration stay negative for part C?"

Well what did you calculate as the acceleration in part a)?
Why would you think that answer would change?

and then parts c) and D)
Which way is the elevator accelerating in part A) and Part B) ie up or down.

If the elevator is accelerating up or down, in which case then would the tension in the cable be greater or lessor than before the elevator started moving?

Draw a FBD to obtain all the forces on the elevator.

And what does this mean in the problem
" 875 kg (including the student) elevator "

You're right, part A is negative so I'm guessing I use that same value for part C.

The elevator is accelerating down in part A and up in part B.

Tension would be greater as it accelerates upward.

I will try to re-solve for C and D and answer back, but I think part A and B are right. Thanks.
 
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I think upwards, T-mg=ma
So, T-8575=665
T= 9240 N

I think downwards, T-mg=-ma
So, T-8575=-2441.25
T= 6134 N

Upwards a=0.760
Downwards a=2.79

Sound better?
 

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