What is the power input of a motor pulling up an elevator?

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The problem involves calculating the power input of a motor that is responsible for lifting an elevator with a specified mass and speed, while considering the efficiency of the system. The context includes mechanics and power calculations related to an elevator system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of tensions in the ropes and the net force on the elevator. There are attempts to derive power output and input based on efficiency and velocity. Questions arise regarding the necessity of considering tensions and whether the diagram is essential for solving the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding focusing on net forces rather than tensions, and there is an exploration of whether the provided information is sufficient for solving the problem without additional details.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the mechanics of the elevator system and the role of efficiency in the calculations. There is a mention of a diagram that may or may not be necessary for the solution.

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Homework Statement


Once under way at a steady speed, the 1100-kg elevator A rises at the rate of 1 story (2.74 m) per second. Determine the power input Pin into the motor unit M if the combined mechanical and electrical efficiency of the system is e = 0.76.

Here is a link to the diagram for the problem:
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Homework Equations


e = Pin/Pout
P = Fv
∑Fy = ma = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


First I tried finding the tension in the rope leading to the bottom two pullies:
∑F = 0 = -W +2T1
T1 = W/2

Then I tried finding T2 and T3:
∑F = 0 = T2 + T3 - T1 = 2T3 -T1

Assuming T2 = T3
0 = 2T3 -T1
T2 = T3 = T1/2 = W/4

So then the tension leading to the motor is W/4 = T2

Calculating the power output of the motor:
P = Tv = (W/4)(2.74m/s) = (1100/4 kg)(9.81m/s/s)(2.74m/s) = 7391.84 J/s = 7.39184 kW

Power input of the motor:
e = Pin/Pout
Pin = e(Pout) = 0.76(7.39184kW) = 5.618 kW (Incorrect answer)

I think I'm going wrong when calculating the tensions in the cables. Can someone please explain how to do this correctly?

Thank you!

 
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magnesium12 said:
finding the tension in the rope leading to the bottom two pullies:
You don't need to worry about the tensions. Just think about the net force on the elevator.
magnesium12 said:
P = Tv = (W/4)(2.74m/s)
That's the velocity of the elevator, not of the cable.
 
The problem may be easier to solve if the diagram is ignored. We have an elevator on which work is being done as it is lifted. We know its mass and how rapidly it is being lifted. We have a mechanism which is doing all of the work lifting the elevator. It has a known efficiency. We have a power source providing all of the energy to allow the mechanism to do its work.

Three black boxes -- elevator, mechanism, power source. Is the information already provided enough to solve the problem without peeking inside the black boxes?
 
e = Pin/Pout

Check that.
 
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