Finding Complete Orthogonal Systems for Boundary Value Problems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a complete orthogonal system for boundary value problems involving $C^{\infty}$ functions defined on the interval $[0, \pi]$ with specific boundary conditions. Participants explore the use of Fourier series as a method for constructing this orthogonal system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using Fourier series to find the coefficients and establish an orthogonal system for the given function.
  • It is noted that the Fourier series is an orthogonal system, and under the boundary conditions, the coefficients for cosine terms ($a_k$) are zero, leading to a representation involving only sine terms.
  • Participants discuss the resulting orthogonal system as the set of functions $\{ x \mapsto \sin(kx) \mid k \in \mathbb Z_{>0} \}$.
  • There is a question about whether the complete orthogonal system consists of eigenfunctions, leading to further inquiry about which eigenfunctions are relevant.
  • Some participants express that the approach holds only if an initial value problem is provided, suggesting a dependency on the specific function and boundary conditions.
  • There is a suggestion that the orthogonal complete system may include functions like $1$, $\sin(kx)$, and $\cos(kx)$, depending on the application of boundary conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of Fourier series to find an orthogonal system, but there is uncertainty regarding the specific eigenfunctions involved and the conditions under which the proposed system applies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete characterization of the orthogonal system.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about the initial value problem and the specific boundary conditions that influence the orthogonal system's composition. There are unresolved questions about the nature of the eigenfunctions and their roles in the complete orthogonal system.

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Hello! (Wave)

Suppose that we have a $C^{\infty}$ function $f: [0, \pi] \to \mathbb{R}$ for which it holds that $f(0)=f(\pi)=0$.

How can we find a complete orthogonal system of this space? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

Suppose that we have a $C^{\infty}$ function $f: [0, \pi] \to \mathbb{R}$ for which it holds that $f(0)=f(\pi)=0$.

How can we find a complete orthogonal system of this space? (Thinking)

Hey! (Smile)

Have you considered a Fourier Series? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey! (Smile)

Have you considered a Fourier Series? (Wondering)

So do we find the coefficients of the Fourier series

$$f \sim \frac{a_0}{2}+ \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} ( a_k \cos(kx)+ b_k \sin(kx)) $$

and from this we find an orthogonal system? How can we do it? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
So do we find the coefficients of the Fourier series

$$f \sim \frac{a_0}{2}+ \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} ( a_k \cos(kx)+ b_k \sin(kx)) $$

and from this we find an orthogonal system? How can we do it? (Thinking)

First off, we know that the Fourier series is an orthogonal system. (Nerd)

Since each function in the system must fit the boundary conditions, it follows that $a_k=0$.
So we're left with:
$$f(x) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} b_k \sin(kx)$$
(Thinking)

That is, the orthogonal system is:
$$\{ x \mapsto \sin(kx) \mid k \in \mathbb Z_{>0} \}$$
(Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
First off, we know that the Fourier series is an orthogonal system. (Nerd)

Since each function in the system must fit the boundary conditions, it follows that $a_k=0$.
So we're left with:
$$f(x) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} b_k \sin(kx)$$
(Thinking)

That is, the orthogonal system is:
$$\{ x \mapsto \sin(kx) \mid k \in \mathbb Z_{>0} \}$$
(Mmm)

So the complete orthogonal system is the set of the eigenfunctions, right? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
So the complete orthogonal system is the set of the eigenfunctions, right? (Thinking)

Which eigenfunctions? :confused:
 
I like Serena said:
Which eigenfunctions? :confused:

Oh, this holds only if we are given an initial value problem, right? (Thinking)

So if we are given a function and boundary conditions, do we find the Fourier series of the function and apply the boundary conditions and the orthogonal complete system will consist of the functions $1$ / $\sin kx$ / $\cos kx$ that will remain? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Oh, this holds only if we are given an initial value problem, right? (Thinking)

So if we are given a function and boundary conditions, do we find the Fourier series of the function and apply the boundary conditions and the orthogonal complete system will consist of the functions $1$ / $\sin kx$ / $\cos kx$ that will remain? (Thinking)

Basically, yes. (Smile)
 

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