Finding Constants in Relativistic Trajectory Problem

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The problem involves analyzing a trajectory in the context of special relativity, specifically transforming coordinates between two frames of reference, S and S', where S' is moving at a constant speed u relative to S. The goal is to express the trajectory in S' and identify the constants A and B in the transformed equation.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the Lorentz transformation to relate the coordinates in the two frames. There are discussions about substituting expressions for time and position and simplifying the resulting equations. Some participants express concern about the complexity of the algebra involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to manipulate the equations and seeking clarification on the meaning of the constant 'a'. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach or solution yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the definition of the constant 'a', with some suggesting it may represent acceleration, while others clarify it is simply a constant. The complexity of the problem is noted, particularly in relation to the transformations and the algebraic manipulation required.

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Homework Statement


Given that the trajectory in frame S is:
[tex]x=\frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)[/tex]

Show that in S' that is moving in the +x direction at speed u:
[tex]x'=\frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2(t'-A)^2}{c^2}}-B[/tex]

Find the constants A and B.

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformation:
[tex]x'=\gamma (x-ut)[/tex]
[tex]t'=\gamma (t-\frac{ux}{c^2})[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]x'=\gamma (x-ut)[/tex]

plug in x:
[tex]x'=\gamma \left ( \frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)-ut \right )[/tex]

Since we want x' in terms of t'... i used:
[tex]t=\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2} )[/tex]

[tex]x'=\gamma \left [ \frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-1)-u\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2}) \right ][/tex]

I can group some terms and play around with it:

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2\gamma^4 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\frac{\gamma c^2}{a}-u\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})[/tex]

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2}) \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t'+\frac{u\gamma^2ux'}{c^2} \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'-\frac{\gamma^2u^2x'}{c^2}= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t' \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'\left (1-\frac{\gamma^2u^2}{c^2} \right )= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t' \right )[/tex]

As you can see, it becomes very messy quickly. Since this is featured in a past paper, I think there should be some trick to do it quickly.
 
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E92M3 said:

Homework Statement


Given that the trajectory in frame S is:
[tex]x=\frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)[/tex]

Show that in S' that is moving in the +x direction at speed u:
[tex]x'=\frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2(t'-A)^2}{c^2}}-B[/tex]

Find the constants A and B.

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformation:
[tex]x'=\gamma (x-ut)[/tex]
[tex]t'=\gamma (t-\frac{ux}{c^2})[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]x'=\gamma (x-ut)[/tex]

plug in x:
[tex]x'=\gamma \left ( \frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)-ut \right )[/tex]

Since we want x' in terms of t'... i used:
[tex]t=\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2} )[/tex]

[tex]x'=\gamma \left [ \frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-1)-u\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2}) \right ][/tex]

I can group some terms and play around with it:

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2\gamma^4 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\frac{\gamma c^2}{a}-u\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})[/tex]

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2}) \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t'+\frac{u\gamma^2ux'}{c^2} \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'-\frac{\gamma^2u^2x'}{c^2}= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t' \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'\left (1-\frac{\gamma^2u^2}{c^2} \right )= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t' \right )[/tex]

As you can see, it becomes very messy quickly. Since this is featured in a past paper, I think there should be some trick to do it quickly.

what is 'a' (i.e. the small a) , is it the accn of the body
 
E92M3 said:

Homework Statement


Given that the trajectory in frame S is:
[tex]x=\frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)[/tex]

Show that in S' that is moving in the +x direction at speed u:
[tex]x'=\frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2(t'-A)^2}{c^2}}-B[/tex]

Find the constants A and B.

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformation:
[tex]x'=\gamma (x-ut)[/tex]
[tex]t'=\gamma (t-\frac{ux}{c^2})[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]x'=\gamma (x-ut)[/tex]

plug in x:
[tex]x'=\gamma \left ( \frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)-ut \right )[/tex]

Since we want x' in terms of t'... i used:
[tex]t=\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2} )[/tex]

[tex]x'=\gamma \left [ \frac{c^2}{a}(\sqrt{1+\frac{a^2\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-1)-u\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2}) \right ][/tex]

I can group some terms and play around with it:

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2\gamma^4 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\frac{\gamma c^2}{a}-u\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})[/tex]

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2}) \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t'+\frac{u\gamma^2ux'}{c^2} \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'-\frac{\gamma^2u^2x'}{c^2}= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t' \right )[/tex]

[tex]x'\left (1-\frac{\gamma^2u^2}{c^2} \right )= \frac{c^2}{a}\sqrt{\gamma^2+\frac{a^2 (\gamma^2t'+\frac{\gamma^2ux'}{c^2})^2}{c^2}}-\left ( \frac{\gamma c^2}{a}+u\gamma^2 t' \right )[/tex]

As you can see, it becomes very messy quickly. Since this is featured in a past paper, I think there should be some trick to do it quickly.

what is 'a' (i.e. the small a) , is it the accn of the body

takin it as a const its already pretty complicated
 
"a" is just a constant.
 

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