Finding Eigenvectors of 2-state system

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The discussion revolves around the process of finding eigenvectors of a 2-state system as presented in Cohen-Tannoudji's text. Participants are focused on understanding a specific transition between equations (20) and (21) and exploring trigonometric identities to facilitate this transition.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the transition from equation (20) to (21) in Cohen-Tannoudji's work.
  • Another participant suggests factoring out ##\frac{1}{\cos \theta}## from both terms on the left-hand side of equation (20) to simplify the expression.
  • A participant acknowledges the suggestion and attempts to manipulate the equation using trigonometric identities but struggles to see the next steps.
  • Further manipulation leads to a new expression involving exponential terms, but participants note it is still not the desired result.
  • One participant points out that the original equation involves ##\cos \theta## and ##\sin \theta##, while the reference uses half-angle formulas, suggesting a need to consider these identities.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in applying the half-angle formulas due to the absence of square roots in their current expressions.
  • A participant finally identifies a potential solution by dividing through by ##\sin{\theta}##, which leads to a new factorization involving ##-\tan{\frac{\theta}{2}}##.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple approaches and interpretations of the equations are discussed without a clear resolution on the correct method to transition between the equations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of trigonometric identities and the manipulation of equations, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the relationships between the terms involved.

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I am trying to understand a method for determining the eigenvectors of 2-state system as explained in Cohen-Tannoudji. I am having trouble with a step he seems to have skipped
In Cohen-Tannoudji page 423, they try to teach a method that allows to find the eigenvectors of a 2-state system in a less cumbersome way. I understand the steps, up to the part where they go from equation (20) to (21). I understand that (20) it automatically leads to (21). Can someone please enlighten me about this step please?
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Kekeedme said:
Can someone please enlighten me about this step please?
Try writing ##\tan \theta## as ##\sin \theta / \cos \theta## so that you can factor out ##1 / \cos \theta## from both terms on the LHS of (20) (and thus you can eliminate that factor since the RHS of (20) is zero) and then look at the standard double angle and half angle formulas for trig functions.
 
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Hello Peter Donis, thank you for your response. I did start trying to play with double and half angle trig identities, but you are right that I did not factor ##\frac{1}{\cos{\theta}}## first. When I do, I get:
$$(\cos({\theta}) -1)a - (\sin({\theta})\exp{-i\phi})b = 0$$
From there, I have tried playing with the trig identities but I can't seem to see what I am missing. Do you perhaps see what I am missing, please?
 
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Then multiplying through by ##\exp{\frac{i\phi}{2}}##
yields:
$$\left(\cos{\theta}-1\right)\exp{\frac{i\phi}{2}} a - \left(\sin{\theta}\exp{\frac{-i\phi}{2}}\right)b=0$$
Which is a bit closer to the result, but not it.
 
Kekeedme said:
Then multiplying through by ##\exp{\frac{i\phi}{2}}##
yields:
$$\left(\cos{\theta}-1\right)\exp{\frac{i\phi}{2}} a - \left(\sin{\theta}\exp{\frac{-i\phi}{2}}\right)b=0$$
Which is a bit closer to the result, but not it.

Notice that the equation you have involves ##\cos \theta## and ##\sin \theta##, while CCT gives it in terms of ##\cos \theta/2## and ##\sin \theta/2##, so you should think of using half-angle formulas.
 
Hello Dr Claude,
I did try that. But I don't seem to see how to use them to go from (20) from CCT to (21) or even from what I wrote above. The double angle formulas involve ##sqrt##, which are not present in the expressions, or I can't make them appear
 
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Hello Dr Claude,
I did try that. But I don't seem to see how to use them to go from (20) from CCT to (21) or even from what I wrote above. The double angle formulas involve ##sqrt##, which are not present in the expressions, or I can't make them appear
In the direction you want, they will bring about squares, not square roots. There is a way to remove the square afterwards.
 
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Oh, I got it!
I should divide through by ##\sin{\theta}##
This will allow me to get ##-\tan{\frac{\theta}{2}}## as a factor of ##a## and then multiply through by ##\cos{\frac{\theta}{2}}##
Thank you Peter and Dr Claude
 
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