Finding for interval of m in quadratic equation.

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The discussion revolves around finding the interval for the variable 'm' in the context of a quadratic expression, specifically the expression \(\frac{mx^2+3x-4}{-4x^2+3x+m}\), and determining under what conditions this expression can take all real values for real 'x'.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss equating the expression to 'y' and transforming it into a quadratic equation in multiple variables. There are attempts to analyze the discriminant of the denominator to ensure it does not equal zero. Questions arise regarding the implications of the discriminant being non-negative versus non-positive.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the conditions under which the expression can take all real values. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the discriminant and the behavior of the quadratic, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final interval for 'm'.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted constraint regarding the denominator not being zero, and participants are grappling with the implications of the discriminant in relation to the overall problem. The original poster has provided an interval based on their findings, but there is uncertainty about its validity given the conditions discussed.

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Maths Quadratic Question

Homework Statement




Find the interval in which 'm' lies so that the expression
[tex]\frac{mx^2+3x-4}{-4x^2+3x+m}[/tex]
can take all real values ,where x is real.




The Attempt at a Solution





i have equated this equation to y
[tex]y=\frac{mx^2+3x-4}{-4x^2+3x+m}[/tex]

then

[tex](-4y-m)x^2+(3y-3)x+(ym-4)=0[/tex]


but then it becomes quadratic equation in many variables .


please give hints or steps to solve the problem.
 
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One value of m for which y cannot "take all real values" is -4. Do you see why? Think about that.
 
i only have the answer and not the solution

and the answer is:-
[tex]m \epsilon [1,7][/tex]


but
as denominator cannot be zero

[tex]-4x^2+3x+m=0[/tex]
the value of m in above equation will not be included in the interval

i took its discriminant
[tex]D =3^2-4(-4m)=9+16m[/tex]
then
[tex]D\ge0[/tex]
[tex]9+16m\ge0[/tex]
[tex]m\ge-9/16[/tex]

but this is not the answer?
 
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Sumedh said:
i took its discriminant
[tex]D =3^2-4(-4m)=9+16m[/tex]
then
[tex]D\ge0[/tex]
Again, you're confusing the idea of "having real solutions" with "taking on real values." If you want to say that the denominator cannot be zero, you are saying that, no matter what real-number value you plug in for x, the denominator won't be zero. D ≥ 0 means that there exists one or two values of x that make the quadratic equal to zero. That's not what you want here.
 
1) To get real value of the expression, the denominator should not be zero.
Is this statement correct??


2) As you said---------
D ≥ 0 means that there exists one or two values of x that make the quadratic equal to zero.
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Should i use [tex]D\le0[/tex]
if we use this we get [tex]m\le−9/16[/tex] (am i right till here?)

if i am right, then what should i do with [tex]m\le−9/16[/tex]
as the final answer is
mϵ[1,7]
 

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