Finding $|k|$ of the Polynomial $x^3-kx+25$

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The discussion revolves around determining the value of $|k|$ in the polynomial $x^3 - kx + 25$, given that the polynomial has three real roots and that the sum of two of these roots equals 5. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of root properties using Vieta's formulas.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if the roots are $a$, $b$, and $c$, with $b + c = 5$, then $a = -5$ follows from Vieta's formulas.
  • Another participant calculates $k$ as 20 by substituting $a = -5$ into the polynomial equation.
  • A further argument suggests that if $b$ and $c$ are complex, it leads to a contradiction, reinforcing that $k = 20$ is the only possible solution.
  • Multiple participants point out a potential typo regarding the sign of $k$, clarifying that $k$ should be 20, not -20.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of $k$ being 20, but there is a minor disagreement regarding the implications of the roots being real or complex, as well as the correct interpretation of the sign of $k$.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of the roots being real versus complex, nor does it clarify the conditions under which the roots sum to 5 while maintaining all roots as real.

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The polynomial $x^3-kx+25$ has three real roots. Two of these root sum to 5. What is $|k|$?
 
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Let the roots be a, b, and c.

Then by Vieta's formula
a + b + c = 0

Take b + c = 5. Then a = -5,

So we know that
[math]a^3 - k a + 25 = 0[/math]

[math](-5)^3 - k ( -5 ) + 25 = 0[/math]

k = 20

Note that we haven't used the condition that all roots are real, so let's assume that b and c are complex and that this gives a contradiction.

We know that a = -5 and that b and c are, by assumption, complex. So let b = m + in and c = 5 - (m + in).

The other Vieta formula says that
abc = 25

$$(-5) ( m + in) ( 5 - (m + in) ) = 25$$

[math](-m^2 + 5m + n^2) + (5n - 2mn)i = -5[/math]

Using the second term
$$5n - 2mn = 0$$

So n = 0 or m = 5/2.

Let m = 5/2 and put it into the first term:
[math]-m^2 + 5m + n^2 = -5[/math]

[math]- \left ( \dfrac{5}{2} \right ) ^2 + 5 \left ( \dfrac{5}{2} \right ) + n^2 = -5[/math]

[math]n^2 = -\dfrac{45}{4}[/math]
which says that [math]n^2 < 0[/math], which is impossible.

Thus n = 0 and the solution for k = 20 stands as the only possible k.
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-Dan
 
Above is good method and here is my
as $x^2$ term is zero and sum of 2 roots is 5 so $3^{rd}$ root is -5 so we have the product of 2 roots = 5 (as product of all roots -25)

$x^3-xk+25 = (x+5)(x^2- 5x + 5) = x^3 -5x^2+5x + 5x^2 - 25 x + 25 = x^3 -20x + 25$

comparing with given equation we have k = 20 and hence $| k | = 20$

we have to check that $x^2-5x+5=0$ is having real roots or not. We have discriminant = $5^2-20= 5 >0 $ so real roots

so ans 20
 
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There's a typo.

[math]x^3 - k x + 25 = x^3 - 20 x + 25 \implies k = 20[/math], not -20.
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-Dan
 
topsquark said:
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There's a typo.

[math]x^3 - k x + 25 = x^3 - 20 x + 25 \implies k = 20[/math], not -20.
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-Dan
Thanks I have done the needful in line for the flow
 

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