Finding Number of Stars that have Died

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of stars that have "died" within a specific time-frame, focusing on the use of the Salpeter Initial Mass Function (IMF) to determine the distribution of star masses and their lifetimes. The conversation explores the definitions of stellar death and how to apply these concepts to derive a formula for estimating the number of stars that have ceased to exist in a given period.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the Salpeter IMF to calculate the distribution of star masses and their lifetimes to estimate how many stars die over a specified time.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to define what "died" means in the context of stars, questioning whether a star that has become a white dwarf or a neutron star can be considered dead.
  • A later reply clarifies that the term "died" should be interpreted as "turned off the Main Sequence," suggesting that this definition could simplify the calculations.
  • Participants discuss the implications of defining stellar death and how it affects the calculation of star lifetimes as a function of mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that defining "died" is crucial for the calculations, but there is no consensus on the exact definition or implications of stellar death. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these definitions on the calculations proposed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in defining stellar death, which may affect the accuracy of the proposed calculations. The discussion also highlights the dependency on the chosen definitions and assumptions regarding star lifetimes.

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Hi everyone,

I am currently looking to calculate the amount of stars that die within a certain time-frame. I am trying to go about this using the Salpeter IMF to figure the distribution of star masses...

∫M⋅Φ(M)dM

From here I would need to use star mass to calculate the lifetime of stars as a function of mass...t(M). Then using this I would apply it somehow to the distribution to find out how many of those stars die for a given time (t +Δt).

Is this the right train of thought?

Thanks in advance!

Edit:

Thinking about this more, I could also find the mass turnoff point at that time. From this can't I calculate how many stars are above that mass? That would give me how many stars have died up to that time? If this is all true, it must be difficult to make this a generalized formula...thoughts?
 
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The first thing you will have to do is define "died". If a sun-like star has become a white dwarf, has it "died"? Or is it only dead when the white dwarf has cooled to the point where it no longer emits visible light? Or is it even dead then? It is still emitting longer wavelength radiation. How about a massive star that has gone supernova and left a neutron star behind. Has it "died"? The neutron start is still there. Once you have done this, you should be able to write down the star's lifetime as a function of mass. then your plan should work.
 
phyzguy said:
The first thing you will have to do is define "died". If a sun-like star has become a white dwarf, has it "died"? Or is it only dead when the white dwarf has cooled to the point where it no longer emits visible light? Or is it even dead then? It is still emitting longer wavelength radiation. How about a massive star that has gone supernova and left a neutron star behind. Has it "died"? The neutron start is still there. Once you have done this, you should be able to write down the star's lifetime as a function of mass. then your plan should work.
Thanks for the response. I should've clarified! Rather than "died" I should've said turned off the Main Sequence!
 
astrofunk21 said:
Thanks for the response. I should've clarified! Rather than "died" I should've said turned off the Main Sequence!

Then that should be fairly straightforward. You should be able to find the main-sequence lifetime as a function of mass.
 

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