Finding Probability in Genetics Experiment: Vermillion Eyes or Miniature Wings?

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem related to a genetics experiment involving Drosophila fruit flies. The original poster presents a scenario where they need to calculate the probability of offspring exhibiting either vermillion eyes, miniature wings, or both based on observed traits from a sample of 300 flies.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the probability formula P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) but encounters confusion regarding its application in this context. They express uncertainty about why their calculations exceed the total number of offspring.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach by calculating the probability of not having either trait and then using the complement to find the desired probability.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formula to use when calculating probabilities involving overlapping events, highlighting the need to subtract the probability of both traits occurring together.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing clarifications and alternative methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of probability formulas, and there is a recognition of the original poster's understanding following explanations.

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The original poster expresses a lack of confidence in their understanding of probability, which may influence their approach to the problem. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and correct misunderstandings related to probability calculations.

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I suck at probability. I can't think of ways of understanding any problems that involve probability. Here's the problem I'm currently stuck on:

In a genetics experiment, the researcher mated two Drosophila fruit flies and observed the traits of 300 offspring. The results are shown in the table.
Code:
                WING SIZE
EYE COLOR       Normal    Miniature
Normal          140       6
Vermillion      3         151
What is the probability that the fly has either vermillion eyes or miniature wings, or both?

So the first thing I did was make it a little easier for me to understand by rewriting the table in terms of frequency:
Code:
                WING SIZE
EYE COLOR       Normal    Miniature
Normal          4/15      1/50
Vermillion      1/100     151/300

Now I've thought of a method for going about solving the problem but it doesn't work. Isn't it correct that P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B)? So I figured that the answer would be P(VermillionEyes or MiniatureWings or Both) = P(VermillionEyes) + P(MiniatureWings) + P(Both). That would be 154/300 + 157/300 + 151/300. BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG SINCE IT GOES PAST 300/300!

How do I do this? Why is the P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) thing not working?
 
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A total of 3+ 151= 154 flies have vermilion eyes (now that I would like to see!) and another 6 flies have minature wings so 154+ 6= 160 flies have "either vermillion eyes or miniature wings, out of 300. The probability of that is 160/300= 16/30= 8/15.

Another way to do that is to say the in order not to have "vermilion eyes or miniature wings or both" a fly must have both normal wings and normal eyes. There are 140 such flies so the probability of that is 140/300= 14/30= 7/15. The probability that that is not true is 1- 7/15= (15-7)/15= 8/15 again.

Your mistake is in saying "(VermillionEyes or MiniatureWings or Both) = P(VermillionEyes) + P(MiniatureWings) + P(Both)"

The correct formula is (VermillionEyes or MiniatureWings or Both) = P(VermillionEyes) + P(MiniatureWings) - P(Both). Do you see the minus sign? The reason is that "vermilion eyes" includes "minature wings" and "miniature wings" includes "vermilion eyes". P(Vermilion eyes) and P(MinatureWings) includes both twice. You need to subtract one of them, not add it in again!
 
Thanks HallsOfIvy your explanation was very helpful and clear.
 
dude, u don't suck at all, because u understood it right away when others explained it to u , a bit more practice and u will be fine! =]
 

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