Finding Spring Constant When Given Amplitude, Time, and Mass

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the spring constant using given parameters such as amplitude, time, and mass in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM). Participants are exploring the relationship between these variables and how to properly analyze the data to derive the spring constant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss averaging values for mass and time, questioning the algebraic reasoning behind this approach. There is confusion regarding how to plot data to find a slope that corresponds to the spring constant. Some participants suggest rearranging equations into a linear form for better analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to rearrange equations and plot data. There is a focus on ensuring the correct form of the equation is used for graphing, but no consensus has been reached on the specific variables to use for the axes.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's requirements, including the need to use a line of best fit and the specific relationships dictated by the equations of SHM. There is uncertainty regarding the role of amplitude in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
Your lab instructor has asked you to measure a spring constant using a dynamic method-letting it oscillate-rather than a static method of stretching it. You and your lab partner suspend the spring from a hook, hang different masses on the lower end, and start them oscillating. One of you uses a meter stick to measure the amplitude, the other uses a stopwatch to time 10 oscillations. Your data are as follows:
[Mass(g)] {Amplitude(cm)} |Time(s)|
[100] {6.5} |7.8|
[150] {5.5} |9.8|
[200] {6.0} |10.9|
[250] {3.5} |12.4|

Use the best fit line of an appropriate graph to determine the spring constant.
Relevant Equations
T=(2(pi))((m/k)^(1/2)), Fnet=ma, Fg=mg, g=9.8m/s^2; Correct answer is 6.5N/m
I averaged the masses and times (which i took the time given and divided by 10 because in the problem it says you measure the time it takes to complete 10 oscillations) then plugged them directly into the T=(2(pi)((m/k)^1/2) and got the wrong answer. This is really confusing me because I don't really know how to start. And it was hard to format the chart so masses have [ ] around them, amplitudes have { } around them, and times have | | around them.
 
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physicsneedslabs said:
I averaged the masses and times
On what algebraic reasoning?
physicsneedslabs said:
it was hard to format the chart so masses have [ ] around them, amplitudes have { } around them, and times have | | around them.
Why would you want to?
You want a straight line. Precisely what should you plot against what to get a slope equal to k?
 
haruspex said:
On what algebraic reasoning?
in the problem it says to use the line of best fit, so i thought the process would include using the averaged values. I don't really know where to start here.
 
physicsneedslabs said:
in the problem it says to use the line of best fit, so i thought the process would include using the averaged values. I don't really know where to start here.
No, it means plot a graph that should, according to the equation, be approximately a straight line. Then find the best straight line fit to the data points.

First step is to rearrange the given equation into the form y=kx+c (but c will be zero), where y and x are some functions of T and m.
 
haruspex said:
No, it means plot a graph that should, according to the equation, be approximately a straight line. Then find the best straight line fit to the data points.

First step is to rearrange the given equation into the form y=kx+c (but c will be zero), where y and x are some functions of T and m.
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I attached a photo of the problem and what I have done so far to help explain. I plotted an amplitude (given in the chart) vs. Force (calculated by mg of each mass because it is a vertical spring). I am not sure what to do next, I know the units of spring constant are N/m so I tried getting deltaF/deltaA but that still gave me the wrong answer.

The reason I put that equation in the given equations is because it is an important SHM equation that I am pretty sure is needed to solve this problem.
 
physicsneedslabs said:
The reason I put that equation in the given equations is because it is an important SHM equation that I am pretty sure is needed to solve this problem.
Indeed so. And you may notice amplitude does not appear in it.
As I advised, rewrite it in the form y=kx, where y and x are expressions using the other variables in the equation. Post what you get.
 
haruspex said:
Indeed so. And you may notice amplitude does not appear in it.
As I advised, rewrite it in the form y=kx, where y and x are expressions using the other variables in the equation. Post what you get.
solved for k: k=(m(4(pi^2)))/(T^2)
 
physicsneedslabs said:
solved for k: k=(m(4(pi^2)))/(T^2)
That's not in the form I specified. Get it as
(Some expression involving one of m, T)=k*(some expression involving the other of m, T)
In the graph, the expression on the left will give the y values, that on the right give the x values.
 
haruspex said:
That's not in the form I specified. Get it as
(Some expression involving one of m, T)=k*(some expression involving the other of m, T)
In the graph, the expression on the left will give the y values, that on the right give the x values.
Im confused as to which variable is supposed to be "y" and which is "y" supposed to be in terms of.
 
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physicsneedslabs said:
Im confused as to which variable is supposed to be "y" and which is "y" supposed to be in terms of.
That's the second step. First step is to get it into the form I specified:
(Some expression involving one of m, T)=k*(some expression involving the other of m, T)
 

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