Finding the Balance Point of Gravitational Forces Between Earth and Moon

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The discussion revolves around finding the balance point of gravitational forces acting on a spaceship due to the Earth and the Moon. The original poster presents a scenario involving gravitational equations and seeks to derive an expression for the distance from the Earth to this balance point.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss setting the gravitational forces equal to each other to find the balance point. There are attempts to derive expressions for the distances involved, specifically De and Dm, and questions about rearranging equations and simplifying terms.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the equations and have confirmed the correctness of certain expressions. There is ongoing exploration of how to derive the expression for De, and multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being examined.

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Participants note the relationship between the masses of the Earth and Moon, as well as the total distance between them, which is a key piece of information that has yet to be fully utilized in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



The gravitational force due to the earth, that acts on a spaceship of mass Ms is GMeMs/d^2, where G is the gravitational constant, Me is the mass of the Earth and d is the distance between the center of the Earth and the spaceship. A similar expression can be written for the force on the spaceship due to the moon. Give an equation for the balance point of the two points of the two forces, when there would be no force afcting on the spaceship.
How derive an equation for dE in terms of D (the distance from the center of the Earth to the center of the moon).
Finally calculate the distance of this point from the Earth. The mass of the Earth is *1.4 times that of the moon, the distance between the two is 3.84*10^8m.


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The Attempt at a Solution



Well i hanvt got that far, any help would be appretiated.
 
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At the balance point: The magnitude of the force the Earth exerts on the spaceship equals the magnitude of the force the moon exerts on the spaceship...

set the forces equal...
 
For the DE, write a general expression for the force which will be equal to zero at the balance point.
 
ok i have created the first expression getting: GMeMs/De^2-GMmMs/Dm^2 is that correct? should i try and rearange this to cancel like terms etc...

I still don't get the De bit which comes next can you please help me some more?
 
smileandbehappy said:
ok i have created the first expression getting: GMeMs/De^2-GMmMs/Dm^2 is that correct? should i try and rearange this to cancel like terms etc...

I still don't get the De bit which comes next can you please help me some more?

Do you mean GMeMs/De^2=GMmMs/Dm^2

yes, that's correct. cancel terms G and Ms, leaves

Me/De^2 = Mm/Dm^2

where De is the distance of the ship from the earth... Dm is the distance from the ship to them moon. you also know that the mass of the Earth is 1.4 times mass of the moon... plug that in, you can get one more cancellation...

you're left with an equation with De and Dm... you need one more equation with De and Dm. Can you think of one? Look at the question... there's one piece of information we still haven't made use of.
 
ok but how do i derive an expression for De? Please help I am really confused? thanks
 
smileandbehappy said:
ok but how do i derive an expression for De? Please help I am really confused? thanks

Use De + Dm = 3.84*10^8m.

now you have two equations with two unknowns. solve for De.
 

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