Finding the Coefficient of Expansion for a General Term in a Polynomial

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The discussion revolves around finding coefficients in polynomial expansions, specifically in the expressions (1+x+x^2)^4 and (2+2x+x^2)^n. Participants are exploring how to determine these coefficients through combinatorial reasoning and the application of multinomial coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of multinomial coefficients to find specific coefficients in polynomial expansions. There is confusion regarding the general term in the second part of the problem, particularly how to handle the variable n and the powers of the terms.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the structure of the terms and the need for the exponents to sum to n. There is ongoing exploration of different combinations of terms to achieve the desired coefficients, with no clear consensus yet on the correct approach for the second part of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves a general term with a variable exponent n, which adds complexity to the discussion. There is also mention of the need to consider the constraints of the polynomial terms and how they relate to the coefficients being sought.

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Homework Statement


a) Find the coefficient of [itex]x^5[/itex] in [itex](1+x+x^2)^4[/itex].

b) Find the coefficient of [itex]x^2[/itex] in [itex](2+2x+x^2)^n[/itex].


2. The attempt at a solution
a) [itex](1)^0(x)^3(x^2)^1[/itex] & [itex](1)^1(x)^1(x^2)^2[/itex].
Coefficient of first: [itex]\frac{4!}{(0!)(3!)(1!)} = 4[/itex]
Coefficient of second: [itex]\frac{4!}{(1!)(1!)(2!)}=16[/itex]
Therefore coefficient of [itex]x^5[/itex] is [itex]4+12 = 16[/itex].

b) This is the part I'm struggling on. May I have help here. It's a general term (power of [itex]n[/itex] which is confusing me).
 
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Air said:
b) Find the coefficient of [itex]x^2[/itex] in [itex](2+2x+x^2)^n[/itex].

This is the part I'm struggling on. May I have help here. It's a general term (power of [itex]n[/itex] which is confusing me).

Hi Air! :smile:

(btw, "Coefficient Of Expansion" means something specific in materials physics)

Well, it's either x2 or x x;

if you use the same formulas as before, what do you get? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Air! :smile:

(btw, "Coefficient Of Expansion" means something specific in materials physics)

Well, it's either x2 or x x;

if you use the same formulas as before, what do you get? :smile:


So would that be:

[itex](2)^0(2x)^0(x^2)^1[/itex] and [itex](2)^1(2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex]

What am I to do with the [itex](2)[/itex]? It can be used many times? :confused:

("Coefficient Of Expansion" was just a random title I thought of which might be suitable for this, had no idea that it's something in materials physics :smile:)
 
Air said:
So would that be:

[itex](2)^0(2x)^0(x^2)^1[/itex] and [itex](2)^1(2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex]

No, it's …

[tex](2)^{n-1}(2x)^0(x^2)^1[/tex] and … ? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
No, it's …

[tex](2)^{n-1}(2x)^0(x^2)^1[/tex] and … ? :smile:


Hmmm... I'm not sure how it's possible to get [itex](2x)^2[/itex] and [itex](x^2)^0[/itex] together as the powers have to be consecutive, don't they?
 
Air said:
… the powers have to be consecutive, don't they?

erm … I've no idea what you mean … but the answer is, no! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
erm … I've no idea what you mean … but the answer is, no! :smile:

Would it be this:

[itex](2)^{n}(2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex]

I'm sure about the [itex](2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex] because it would get [itex](4x^2)(1)[/itex] which would give a coefficient of value [itex]4[/itex] but is the power of [itex]2[/itex] correct?
 
Air said:
Would it be this:

[itex](2)^{n}(2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex]

I'm sure about the [itex](2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex] because it would get [itex](4x^2)(1)[/itex] which would give a coefficient of value [itex]4[/itex] but is the power of [itex]2[/itex] correct?

Hint: the exponents (that's the itsy-bitsy thingys) have to add to n, don't they? :smile:

(Yours are adding to n+2.)
 
Air said:
Would it be this:

[itex](2)^{n}(2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex]

I'm sure about the [itex](2x)^2(x^2)^0[/itex] because it would get [itex](4x^2)(1)[/itex] which would give a coefficient of value [itex]4[/itex] but is the power of [itex]2[/itex] correct?

Don't be sure- that term won't be in an nth power. In [itex](2+2x+x^2)^n[/itex], every term is of the form Cijk(2)i(2x)j(x2)k with i+ j+ k= n and C is the "tri"-nomial coefficient:
[tex]C_{ijk}= \frac{n!}{i!j!k!}[/tex]

One way to get x2 would be (2)n-2(2x)2(x2)0 but another would be (2n-1)(2x)0(x2)1. And don't forget the "tri"-nomial coefficient for each of those.
 
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Oh, I see. Thanks. That makes sense.

But I have another question:
As this question is [itex](2+2x+x^2)^n[/itex], does that mean it's even possible to find the coefficient of [itex]x^{235}[/itex] (for instance) as [itex]n[/itex] can be any value?
 
  • #11
Yes, it certainly should be. As I said before, Cijk(2)i(2x)j(x[sup2)k with i+ j+ k= n and C is the "tri"-nomial coefficient.

In order to get x235, you would have to have j+ 2k= 235. There are many values of n large enough to include that. Of course, with x2 any positive n is sufficient.
 

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