Finding the curvature of a space curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the curvature of a car's path defined by the vector function r(t). The user has successfully computed the first and second derivatives, r'(t) and r''(t), and their cross product but is struggling with the algebra involved in calculating the curvature K(t). There is a suggestion to simplify the problem by using constants a, b, and c instead of the specific values, which helps clarify the calculations. The user ultimately arrives at a curvature value of 0.01 but expresses concern about potential arithmetic errors. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and the application of trigonometric identities.
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Homework Statement


Find the curvature of the car's path, K(t)
Car's Path: r(t) = \Big< 40cos( \frac {2 \pi}{16}t ) , 40sin( \frac {2 \pi}{16}t ), \frac{20}{16}t \Big>

Homework Equations


K(t) = \frac { |r'(t)\:X \:r''(t)|}{|r'(t)|^3 }

The Attempt at a Solution


This is part of a massive 6 part question, a,b,c,d,e,f. This is part e. I already have r'(t) and r''(t) as well as r'(t) x r''(t). I'm just getting totally lost in the algebra, and I don't know if I am on the right track:
r'(t) = \Big< -5 \pi sin( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t) , 5 \pi cos( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t) , \frac{20}{16} \Big>
r''(t) = \Big< \frac{ -5 \pi ^2 cos( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{8} , \frac{ -5 \pi ^2 sin( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{8} , 0 \Big>
r'(t) \: X \: r''(t) = \big< \frac{ -125 \pi sin( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{32} , \frac{ -25 \pi ^2 cos( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{32} , \Big[ \frac{25 \pi ^3}{8} \Big]\Big[cos(\frac{2 \pi}{16}t) \Big]^2 + \frac{125 \pi ^2}{8} \Big>

So I know the next step will be to get the magnitude of this. Does this look right so far? I have to admit, this is probably the hardest problem (algebra-wise) I have ever done in college so far.
 
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I didn't check your work, but I can tell you that I certainly would have started with$$
\vec r(t) = \langle a\cos(bt),a\sin(bt),ct\rangle$$and put the constants in at the end.
 
Well sure, I'm positive I have done the derivatives right. I was told by someone that the 't' will cancel somewhere, and the answer will simply be a number. I just can't see how 't' will cancel. I was also told it was related to the identity sin^2(t) + cos^2(t) = 1, but when I did take the magnitude of this it was horrendous.
 
I will just repeat my advice: do it again with ##a,~b,~c##. It will cut down mistakes and make it apparent where to use the sine-cosine identity. It isn't "horrendous".
 
Okay I took your advice, which helped a ton. I'm just hoping I didn't make any stupid arithmetic errors. When I crossed r'(t) X r''(t) I got:
\big< ab^2c\:sin(bt), -ab^2c\:cos(bt),a^2b^3 \big>
I took the magnitude and got:
ab^2\sqrt{a^b+b^2+1}
I then took the magnitude of r'(t) cubed and got:
(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)^{3/2}
I plugged everything back in for a,b and c and got 0.01. Seems kind of low, I'm not sure if i have made some kind of arithmetic error
 
dlacombe13 said:
Okay I took your advice, which helped a ton. I'm just hoping I didn't make any stupid arithmetic errors. When I crossed r'(t) X r''(t) I got:
\big< ab^2c\:sin(bt), -ab^2c\:cos(bt),a^2b^3 \big>
I took the magnitude and got:
ab^2\sqrt{a^b+b^2+1}
I agree with the cross product, but check that last line. I get a different value.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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