Finding the frinction coefficient for a car on a banked turn

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The problem involves a banked circular highway curve designed for a specific speed, where the actual speed is lower due to rainy conditions. The goal is to determine the minimum coefficient of friction required for cars to navigate the turn safely without sliding off the road.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion and has attempted to use free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on the car. Some participants discuss the role of friction in providing the necessary centripetal force and suggest relationships between the forces involved.

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Participants are exploring the relationships between the forces acting on the car, including normal force, gravitational force, and friction. There is an ongoing discussion about the correct formulation of the forces and how to express the coefficient of friction in terms of these forces. No consensus has been reached yet.

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The problem is constrained by the specific conditions of the banked turn and the lower speed of traffic due to rain, which may affect the frictional forces at play.

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A banked circular highway curve is designed for traffic moving at 60 km/h. The radius of the curve is 202 m. Traffic is moving along the highway at 35 km/h on a rainy day. What is the minimum coefficient of friction between tires and road that will allow cars to negotiate the turn without sliding off the road?


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I am pretty lost with this one. I have tried playing with variables and I have also tried a couple different free body diagrams but haven't gotten anywhere. My free body diagram represents a car on a banked turn with the force due to gravity straight down the normal force perpendicular to the pavement and friction parallel to the pavement pointing into the turn. Any tip or hint to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Well the frictional force produced by the tires and the road would provide the centripetal force needed for the car to stay on the road.
 
You have N perpendicular to the surface, mg straight down and friction acting along the surface.
N sin theta - friction cos theta is the net force that gives you centripetal acceleration (along the horizontal)
Friction is mu times N or mu times mg/cos theta.
So everything is there - just solve for mu.
 
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bobaustin said:
You have N perpendicular to the surface, mg straight down and friction acting along the surface.
N sin theta - friction cos theta is the net force that gives you centripetal acceleration (along the horizontal)
Friction is mu times N or mu times mg/cos theta.
So everything is there - just solve for mu.
Wouldn't N sin theta + Friction cos theta = net force?
 
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