Max Speed of Car on Wet Ramp Turn at 20° Bank

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum speed of a car negotiating a turn on a wet ramp with a specified radius and banking angle. The problem involves concepts from dynamics, specifically relating to friction and circular motion.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of free body diagrams (FBD) to analyze forces acting on the car. There are attempts to apply equations related to static friction and centripetal force. Some participants question the correctness of the formulas used and the assumptions made regarding the forces involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the attempts made. There is a suggestion to check the equations used, and some guidance is offered regarding the relationship between the forces acting on the car. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants note the importance of considering the direction of forces and the role of friction in maintaining the car's path. There is an indication that the problem may involve additional complexities due to the banking of the ramp and the wet conditions affecting friction.

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Homework Statement


A car is making a turn on a wet highway ramp. The coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.25. Determine the maximum speed at which the car can safely negotiate a turn of radius 200m with a banking angle of 20 degrees.
radius= 200m
μs=0.25
angle(θ)=20°

Homework Equations



Fs=μs(Fn)

Fc=mv/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving this by drawing an FBD. I drew my x and y axes so they could follow the incline and the normal and friction forces would run along the axes. The only force I broke down into components was Fg. I used the first formula to solve for Fs by plugging in the given coefficient of static friction and plugging in +mgcosθ for Fn. I got Fs=0.25(mucosθ). Then, I plugged that into the second formula with all other given values. I divided out my 'm' variables, and then isolated for 'v'. The answer I got was 22.14609185m/s. The correct answer is 36m/s. I don't know what I did wrong.
 
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Balsam said:

Homework Statement


A car is making a turn on a wet highway ramp. The coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.25. Determine the maximum speed at which the car can safely negotiate a turn of radius 200m with a banking angle of 20 degrees.
radius= 200m
μs=0.25
angle(θ)=20°

Homework Equations



Fs=μs(Fn)

Fc=mv/r
The second formula is wrong, check.
Balsam said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving this by drawing an FBD. I drew my x and y axes so they could follow the incline and the normal and friction forces would run along the axes. The only force I broke down into components was Fg. I used the first formula to solve for Fs by plugging in the given coefficient of static friction and plugging in +mgcosθ for Fn. I got Fs=0.25(mucosθ). Then, I plugged that into the second formula with all other given values. I divided out my 'm' variables, and then isolated for 'v'. The answer I got was 22.14609185m/s. The correct answer is 36m/s. I don't know what I did wrong.
 
ehild said:
The second formula is wrong, check.
I typed it wrong, but in solving the problem, i used mv^2/r
 
Without seeing your FBD and work in detail, we can not help you. The car goes along a horizontal circle, so the centripetal force is horizontal, while the friction acts along the slope. They are not equal. And friction is not the only force that keeps the car on track.
 

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