Finding the Ground State of a Hamiltonian Operator

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The discussion revolves around finding the ground state of a Hamiltonian operator represented as a 3x3 matrix. Participants explore the relationship between eigenvalues and the ground state energy, questioning how to identify the ground state given only the Hamiltonian operator.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the ground state as the state with the lowest energy and explore the implications of having eigenvalues of {0, 1, 2}. Questions arise about whether a ground state can have zero energy and how the potential affects this. There is also a focus on calculating the uncertainty relation and the commutator, with concerns about deriving the ground state from the provided data.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of the ground state and its energy. Some guidance is offered regarding finding the corresponding eigenvector for the ground state, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or resolution to the concerns raised about trivial results in calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to Hamiltonians and eigenvalues. There is an emphasis on the potential's role in determining energy levels, and the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the implications of zero energy in the context of the problem.

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When given a Hamiltonian operator (in this case a 3x3 matrix), how do you go about find the ground state, when this operator is all that is given? By the SE when have H\Psi=E\Psi. I can easily solve for Eigenvalues/vectors, but which correspond to the ground state, or am I missing something?
 
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The ground state is the state with the lowest energy.
 
So I achieve eigenvalues of \{0,1,2\} (this is actually the eigenvalues I have for the problem), would the 0 or the 1 be the lowest state? I assumed 0, but can a ground state have 0 energy?
 
It depends on the potential. You can always add a constant to the potential without changing anything physically, which would shift the total energy by the same amount. What you can't really have is the kinetic energy being 0 because there should always be some motion even in the ground state.
 
Let H=\hbar\omega \[ \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; i &amp; 0 \\<br /> -i &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right) \]
and let A =\hbar \left[ \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; i \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> -i &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right].

Calculate the uncertainty relation \sigma_E \sigma_a for a system in the energy ground state.

My problem is calculating \langle [H,A]\rangle.
The commutator [H,A]=\hbar^2\omega \left[ \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 0 \end{array} \right]
And if relevant the eigenvalues of H are \hbar\omega \{0,1,2\}.
It says to calculate in the ground state, but I don't know the ground state, so how do I gather it from this data?
 
You have the eigenvalue for the ground state, now find the corresponding eigenvector. It will be a (non-zero) vector

v_0 = \begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \\ c \end{pmatrix}

satisfying

H v_0 = 0.
 
Yes, but \langle v_0|[H,A]|v_0 \rangle =0 which gives me a trivial inequality, which leads me to believe something is incorrect and hence why I posted here.
 

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