Finding the Lagrangian of a bead sliding along a wire

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The problem involves a bead sliding along a wire shaped like a parabola in a vertical plane, constrained to move in the x-z plane. Participants are tasked with finding the kinetic energy in terms of mass, a constant, and the bead's position and velocity, while eliminating certain variables based on the given constraint.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expression for kinetic energy and the application of constraint equations. There is uncertainty about the correct form of z-dot and its derivation from the given constraint.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided expressions for kinetic energy and questioned the validity of their approaches. Others have suggested alternative forms for z-dot, indicating a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the relationships between variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the bead's motion is constrained by the wire's shape, and there is a focus on eliminating variables as required by the problem statement. The lack of explicit consensus on the correct expressions suggests ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Homework Statement


"A bead with mass m slides without friction on a wire which lies in a vertical plane near the earth. The wire lies in the x-z plane and is bent into a shape conforming to the parabola az = x2, where a is a positive known constant. (X is horizontal and z is vertical) The particle moves in the x-z plane but its motion is constrained by the requirement that it remains on the wire.

Find the kinetic energy in terms of m, a, x, x-dot. (Eliminate z and z-dot using the constraint)"

Homework Equations


z = x2/a and z-dot = (x-dot)2/a
(I think these are the restraint equations, unless I did these wrong.)

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that K = (1/2)mv2, so in this case wouldn't that translate to K = (1/2)*m*((x-dot)2 + (z-dot)2)?

If so, then continuing on, K = (1/2)*m*(x-dot)2+((x-dot)2/a)2) or K = (1/2)*m*(x-dot)2+[(x-dot)4/a2]

Am I doing this right?
 
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Homework Equations


z = x2/a and z-dot = (x-dot)2/a
(I think these are the restraint equations, unless I did these wrong.)


z-dot = what now?
 
It's not specified within the problem given. I just rearranged the given equation ( az = x^2 ) and applied it to z-dot as well, since part of the problem later requires eliminating z and z-dot.
 
Well, I would have written z-dot = 2x(x-dot)/a.

Would you like to see how I got that? Might be a chance for you to make a fool out of me. It happens often enough! :-)
 

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