Finding the Limit of a Function as x Approaches Negative Infinity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the function \(\frac{x^2}{1+x^2}\) as \(x\) approaches negative infinity. Participants explore the implications of the limit definition and the conditions under which it holds, focusing on the mathematical reasoning involved in establishing the limit.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in finding a negative number \(N\) such that \(|\frac{x^2}{1+x^2}-1| < \epsilon\) for \(x < N\), expressing uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Another participant suggests that finding a negative \(N\) is unconventional and proposes instead to find a positive \(M\) such that if \(x > N\), then \(|\frac{-1}{1+x^2}| < \epsilon\), indicating that \(N\) could be set to \(-M\).
  • A third participant calculates \(x = \pm\sqrt{\frac{1-\epsilon}{\epsilon}}\) and questions the reasoning for selecting the negative root, indicating a need for further justification.
  • A fourth participant provides a definition of the limit involving \(\epsilon\) and \(N\), framing the discussion within the context of limit definitions in calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to finding \(N\) and the reasoning behind selecting roots, indicating that multiple perspectives and methods are being considered without a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the approach to finding \(N\) could be unconventional and that the reasoning for selecting the negative root may require further exploration. There are also unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

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Find a negative number N such that |\frac{x^2}{1+x^2}-1| &lt; \epsilon for x < N. That implies |\frac{-1}{1+x^2}| &lt; \epsilon if x &lt; N.This gives me the following -|\frac{1}{1+x^2}| &lt; \epsilon if x &lt; N.I do not know what to do from here. Please help as I am teaching myself. Thanks.
 
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John O' Meara said:
Find a negative number N such that |\frac{x^2}{1+x^2}-1| &lt; \epsilon for x < N. That implies |\frac{-1}{1+x^2}| &lt; \epsilon if x &lt; N.This gives me the following -|\frac{1}{1+x^2}| &lt; \epsilon if x &lt; N.I do not know what to do from here. Please help as I am teaching myself. Thanks.
Finding "a negative number N such that if x< N then ..." is very peculiar. But since x only occurs to even power, it doesn't matter whether you use x or -x. "Find a positive number M such that if x> N then |\frac{-1}{1+x^2}|&lt; epsilon" is more "standard" and gives N= -M. Saying that |\frac{-1}{1+x^2}|&lt; \epsilon is the same as saying 0&lt; \frac{1}{1+x^2}&lt; \epsilon which is, in turn, the same as saying that 1+ x^2&gt; \frac{1}{\epsilon} which is the same as x^2&gt; \frac{1}{\epsilon}- 1. Can you carry on from there?
 
x=+/-\sqrt{\frac{1-\epsilon}{\epsilon}} Then I have to determine which one of the roots is the answer, as x is negitive it must -\sqrt{\frac{1-\epsilon}{\epsilon}}, but that last answer doesn't sound a very good reason as to why it is the negitive root. I was wondering is there better reasoning?
 
The definition I am using is: Let f(x) be defined for all x in some infinite open interval extending in the negative x-direction. We will write
\lim_{x-&gt; -\infty}f(x)=L
if given any number \epsilon &gt;0, there corresponds a negative number N such that
|f(x)-L| &lt; \epsilon \mbox{ if } x &lt; N.
 

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