Finding The Position of A Mass As A Function of Time

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The discussion revolves around a mass-spring system where a mass m is attached to a spring with force constant k, constrained to move along the horizontal x-axis. The problem involves analyzing the motion of the mass after it is displaced from the equilibrium position and given an initial velocity, focusing on energy conservation and deriving the position as a function of time.

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  • Participants are attempting to evaluate integrals related to the motion of the mass and are discussing the conservation of energy equations. There is a focus on expressing velocity in terms of position and total energy, as well as deriving time as a function of position.

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Several participants are sharing their attempts at solving the integral and expressing their equations. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding substitutions and the correctness of expressions used in the derivations. Some participants are questioning the validity of each other's steps and clarifying their approaches.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There are indications of potential typos and misunderstandings in the mathematical expressions being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Consider a mass m on the end of a spring of force constant k and constrained
to move along the horizontal x axis. If we place the origin at the spring’s equilibrium
position, the potential energy is U = 1/2kx^2 At time t = 0 the mass is sitting at the
origin and is given a sudden kick to the right so that it moves out to a maximum
displacement x_max = A and then continues to oscillate about the origin.

(a) Write down the equation for conservation of energy and solve it to give the
mass’s velocity \dot{x} in terms of the position x and the total energy E.

(b) Show that E = 1/2kA^2 and use this to eliminate E from your expression for \dot{x}. Find the time for the mass to move from the origin out to a position x.

(c) Solve the result of part (b) to give x as a function of t and show that the mass
executes simple harmonic motion with period 2 \pi \sqrt{m/k}

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All right. I am currently trying to evaluate the integral, which was instructed of me to find in part (b).

Before I proceed any further, here is a little preliminary work:

\dot{x}(x) = kA^2 - \frac{k}{m} x^2

And I used this fact to find the integral: \dot{x} = \frac{dx}{dt} which becomes by separation of variables dt = \frac{dx}{\dot{x}}

Substituting in, and integrating both sides, this is the integral thus far:

\int_0^t dt' = \int_0 ^x \frac{dx}{\sqrt{kA^2 - \frac{k}{m}x^2 }}

kA^2 = (k^{1/2}A)^2 and \frac{k}{m}x^2= (\omega x)^2, where

\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}. This leads to trigonometric substitution:

sin \theta = \frac{(k^{1/2}A)^2}{\sqrt{kA^2 -(\omega x)^2}}

The problem I have is finding how dx is equal to dθ. I tried using the fact that \cos \theta = \frac{( \omega x)^2}{(k^{1/k} A)^2}, then taking the arccos of this, and then taking the derivative of theta with respect to x. This didn't really seem helpful.

How can I get rid of dx, so that I might have an integral involving only theta?
 
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All right. I am currently trying to evaluate the integral, which was instructed of me to find in part (b).
(b) Show that E = 1/2kA^2 and use this to eliminate E from your expression for ##\dot{x}. Find the time for the mass to move from the origin out to a position x.

Starting with:
$$\frac{dx}{dt}=kA^2+\omega^2 x^2 : \omega^2=\frac{k}{m}$$ I get $$dt = \frac{dx}{kA^2+\omega x^2}$$
 
Are you certain that that is correct? Here is my work from the beginning:

E = T(\dot{x}) U(x) ~ \rightarrow E =\frac{1}{2}m \dot{x} + \frac{1}{2}kx^2

When x_max = A, then \dot{x} = 0; thus, E = 0 + \frac{1}{2}kA^2

Taking the equation and solving for \dot{x}:

\frac{1}{2}kA^2 =\frac{1}{2}m \dot{x} + \frac{1}{2}kx^2

\dot{x}^2 = kA^2 - \omega x^2

\dot{x} = \sqrt{kA^2 - \omega x^2}

And then I applied the fact that \dot{x} = \frac{dx}{dt}, which, by separation of variables, can be written as dt = \frac{dx}{\dot{x}}

I am not certain as to how you were able to do this without introducing a square root.
 
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embphysics said:
Before I proceed any further, here is a little preliminary work:
\dot{x}(x) = kA^2 - \frac{k}{m} x^2
And I used this fact to find the integral
... that's what I started from. I take it that's a typo?

embphysics said:
\dot{x} = \sqrt{kA^2 - \omega x^2}
... makes more sense :) ... shouldn't that be ##\omega^2## though?

$$\frac{dx}{dt}= \sqrt{kA^2 - \omega^2 x^2}$$

Try substitution:
$$x=\sqrt{\frac{kA^2}{\omega^2}}\sin\theta\\

dx = \sqrt{\frac{kA^2}{\omega^2}}\cos\theta\; d\theta$$
 
Yes, sorry for the typos. How where you able to get x = \sqrt{\frac{kA^2}{\omega^2}} \sin \theta?
 
Did you try the substitution?

To understand the choice of substitution, consider:
If the stuff under the surd was ##1-x^2## ... what would be the substitution?
 
Oh, I just realized that I drew my triangle incorrectly. I wrote the square of the lengths of the hypotenuse and one of the legs; that is, for the hypotenuse, I wrote(k^{1/2} A)^2, when I should have written k^{1/2} A, and for the leg I wrote(\omega A)^2, rather than \omega A.

From the way I have my triangle drawn, \sec \theta = \frac{k^{1\2}A}{\sqrt{(k^{1/2}A)^2 - (\omega A)^2}} \implies \frac{\sec \theta}{k^{1/2} A} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(k^{1/2}A)^2 - (\omega A)^2}}

For the differential of x, x = \frac{k^{1/2}A}{\omega} \sin \theta \implies dx = \frac{k^{1/2}A}{\omega} \cos \theta d \theta

Using these two expressions, I'll substitute them into the integral, for which I will get:

t = \int \frac{\sec \theta}{k^{1/2} A} \frac{k^{1/2}A}{\omega} \cos \theta d \theta

Simplifying,

t = \frac{1}{\omega} \int d \theta \implies t = \frac{\theta}{\omega}

Going back to the triangle, we find that theta is \theta = \sin^{-1} (\frac{\omega x}{k^{1/2}A})

Substituting this in, simplifying, and solving for x, I get

x = \sqrt{m}A \sin (\omega t).

How do I get rid of that square root of the mass?
 
Your dimensions don't stack up - check your algebra. (Dimensional analysis o the DE you constructed.)
Note: I can no longer see what you have done.
 
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