Finding the strobilization of the magnetization at sphrerical coordinates.

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The discussion revolves around the magnetization of a sphere described in spherical coordinates, specifically focusing on the calculation of bound currents, denoted as J_b and K_b. Participants are exploring the implications of the given magnetization vector and its effects on the bound currents.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the bound volume current J_b and express uncertainty regarding the bound surface current K_b. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the surface normal direction in spherical coordinates and the meaning of the term "strobilization."

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the calculated J_b and are attempting to clarify the calculation of K_b. There is ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of the terms used, with some guidance provided regarding the surface normal direction.

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Participants are navigating terminology differences, particularly regarding the term "strobilization," which appears to be a translation issue. There is also a focus on ensuring clarity in the definitions of bound currents and their calculations.

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Homework Statement



If the magnetization of a sphere is:
[tex]\vec{M} = \hat{\phi }\frac {r}{R}sin\theta M_{o}[/tex]

How much are the captive streams:
[tex]J_{b}=\vec{\bigtriangledown }\times \vec{M}[/tex]
[tex]K_{b}=\vec{M}\times \hat{n}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I find that the first is:
[tex]J_{b} = \frac {2M_{o}}{R}(cos\theta \hat{r} - sin\theta \hat{\theta })[/tex]
but i don't know if that is correct and the point that i really want help is how to work the K.

Thank you a lot.
 
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vchris5 said:

Homework Statement



If the magnetization of a sphere is:
[tex]\vec{M} = \hat{\phi }\frac {r}{R}sin\theta M_{o}[/tex]

How much are the captive streams:
[tex]J_{b}=\vec{\bigtriangledown }\times \vec{M}[/tex]
[tex]K_{b}=\vec{M}\times \hat{n}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I find that the first is:
[tex]J_{b} = \frac {2M_{o}}{R}(cos\theta \hat{r} - sin\theta \hat{\theta })[/tex]
but i don't know if that is correct and the point that i really want help is how to work the K.

Thank you a lot.

I've never heard the term "captive streams" before, in English [itex]\vec{J}_b[/itex] and [itex]\vec{K}_b[/itex] are usually called "bound currents"

Your solution for the bound volume current [itex]\vec{J}_b[/itex] is correct :smile:...As for the bound surface current [itex]\vec{K}_b[/itex], what is the outward normal direction [itex]\hat{n}[/itex] for a spherical surface?
 
Hello gabbagabbahey,
You are right about the term "bound currents".
For the surface current [itex]\vec{K}_b[/itex] , the normal direction [itex]\hat{n}[/itex] is always vertical to the spherical surface.But how are the coordinates of [itex]\hat{n}[/itex] to put them to the type of strobilization..??
Thanks a lot for your interest.
 
I'm not sure what "strobilization" means... are you translating this from another language?

Also, the surface normal is always perpendicular to the surface, not "vertical":wink:...In spherical coordinates, [tex]\hat{n}=\hat{r}[/tex]...do you see why?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
I'm not sure what "strobilization" means... are you translating this from another language?

Also, the surface normal is always perpendicular to the surface, not "vertical":wink:...In spherical coordinates, [tex]\hat{n}=\hat{r}[/tex]...do you see why?

With the word strobilization I mean the [tex]\vec{M}\times \hat{n}[/tex].
Sorry but my English are not so good with the physics terms..

Oh yes, i see. So the surface current bound must be:
[tex]K_{b}=\frac{r}{R}sin\theta M_{o}\hat{\theta }[/tex] ?
 
looks good to me:approve:

I guess by "strobilization", you maybe mean "vector cross product"?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
looks good to me:approve:

I guess by "strobilization", you maybe mean "vector cross product"?

gabbagabbahey first of all, thanks a lot.
And the next problem is how is the A(x) with these current bounds??
 
vchris, first of all, your welcome!:smile:

And next, use the integral equations for the vector potential A:

[tex]\vec{A}(\vec{r})=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_{\mathcal{V}} \frac{\vec{J}_b}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}dV'+\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \oint_{\mathcal{S}} \frac{\vec{K}_b}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}dA'[/tex]
 
gabbagabbahey said:
vchris, first of all, your welcome!:smile:

And next, use the integral equations for the vector potential A:

[tex]\vec{A}(\vec{r})=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_{\mathcal{V}} \frac{\vec{J}_b}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}dV'+\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \oint_{\mathcal{S}} \frac{\vec{K}_b}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}dA'[/tex]

I know this formula. I will try to find a solution and i will upload it to be able to compare...!
Thanks again!
 
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I found that the surface current bound gives:
[tex]\frac{\mu_oMr}3sin\theta \hat{e_\varphi}[/tex] for r<R
[tex]\frac{\mu_oMR^3}3\frac{1}{r^2}sin\theta \hat{e_\varphi }[/tex] for r>R
But i can't find a solution for the other current bound
 

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