Finding unknown quadratic equations

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The discussion revolves around finding the equations of parabolas that describe the displacement of a follower in relation to the angle of a cam. The problem involves ensuring continuity and smoothness of the curves represented by these parabolas, particularly focusing on the derivatives at specific points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for the first and second derivatives of the parabolas to match at intersection points to maintain continuity and smoothness. There are attempts to set up equations based on known points and derivatives, but some express confusion about the number of unknowns and how to proceed from the established equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have begun to outline equations based on the properties of the parabolas, while others are questioning the complexity of the problem and the best starting point for solving it. There is recognition of the need to solve a system of equations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve a large system of equations, and there is mention of symmetry potentially simplifying the process of finding coefficients for the parabolas. Additionally, there is a correction regarding the formulation of one of the equations, indicating that assumptions about the equations may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement


In the attached diagram, the displacement of a follower (y) changes as the angle of the cam changes (\vartheta). The follwer has a smooth velocity over the entire path. Therefore, the velocity must match on both sides of the four points noted on the graph.

If we assume all curves are parabolas, what would their equations be and what is the value of \vartheta_{1}


Homework Equations



I came up with :
y=a1x2
y'=2a1x

and

y=a2 (x+2\pi/3)2
y'=2a2(x-2\pi/3)

The Attempt at a Solution


Now I don't know where to go from here, how am I supposed to solve for theta? I have too many unknowns. I know y' is supposed to be the same throughout the graph so would setting the two y' equations equal accomplish anything?

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I think I did a similar problem with a rollercoaster. Basically, 1 and 2 must intersect and 3 and 4 must intersect at their respective points. The value of their first derivatives must be the same because it must be continuous, and the value of their second derivatives must be the same for them to be "smooth." Hope that helps.
 
Yeah that's pretty much what I figured but I don't know what I'm supposed to do with all these unknowns... I really just don't know where to start.
 
Yes. It becomes a huge systems of equations (that are probably best solved by matrices).
 
I started a couple of times to respond to this, then stopped because it looked to complex. Once I sat down and wrote out what we know, it isn't that complex.

Since the first parabola has a horizontal tangent at (0,0), it can be written y= a_1x^2. We also know that at x= \theta_1, y= 3/4 so a_1\theta_1^2= 3/4.

The second parabola has a horizontal tangent at (2\pi/3, 2) so it can be written as y= a_2(x- 2\pi/3)+ 2. At x= \theta_1, y is still 3/4 so a_2(\theta- 2\pi/3)+ 2= 3/4. Finally, the two derivatives must be equal at \theta_1: 2a_1\theta_1= 2a_2(\theta_1- 2\pi/3).

That gives 3 equations to solve for a_1, a_2 and \theta_1:
a_1\theta_1^2= 3/4
a_2(\theta- 2\pi/3)+ 2= 3/4
2a_1\theta_1= 2a_2(\theta_1- 2\pi/3)

A little thought about "symmetry" should show how to get the coefficents for the last two parabolas from those without having to solve any more equations.
 
Oh my goodness! If I could hug you over the internet I would :P Thank you so much! I can't believe I didn't realize how simply this could be broken down...i think I was just overthinking it.
 
Which variable would be the easiest to start solving for?
 
HallsofIvy said:
I started a couple of times to respond to this, then stopped because it looked to complex. Once I sat down and wrote out what we know, it isn't that complex.

Since the first parabola has a horizontal tangent at (0,0), it can be written y= a_1x^2. We also know that at x= \theta_1, y= 3/4 so a_1\theta_1^2= 3/4.

The second parabola has a horizontal tangent at (2\pi/3, 2) so it can be written as y= a_2(x- 2\pi/3)+ 2. At x= \theta_1, y is still 3/4 so a_2(\theta- 2\pi/3)+ 2= 3/4. Finally, the two derivatives must be equal at \theta_1: 2a_1\theta_1= 2a_2(\theta_1- 2\pi/3).

That gives 3 equations to solve for a_1, a_2 and \theta_1:
a_1\theta_1^2= 3/4
a_2(\theta- 2\pi/3)+ 2= 3/4
2a_1\theta_1= 2a_2(\theta_1- 2\pi/3)

A little thought about "symmetry" should show how to get the coefficents for the last two parabolas from those without having to solve any more equations.

I believe one of the equations is wrong, you forgot a square.
a_2(\theta- 2\pi/3)+ 2= 3/4 the part in the parenthesis should be squared
 
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