Finding velocity vs. time, when acceleration is dependent on velocity

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The discussion revolves around finding the velocity as a function of time, v(t), when the acceleration is dependent on velocity, a(v). Participants explore the mathematical approach to derive this relationship, including the use of differential equations and integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of determining v(t) given an initial velocity v0 and an acceleration function a(v).
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship a = dv/dt and rearranging it to dt = dv/a(v), which can be integrated to find t as a function of v.
  • A specific example is provided where a(v) = 5v, leading to an expression for v in terms of t, v = e^{5t}, but questions arise about incorporating the initial value.
  • Participants discuss the need for a constant of integration when performing the integral and express uncertainty about how to incorporate it meaningfully.
  • One participant proposes that at t=0, v=v0 can be used to solve for the constant of integration, leading to a modified expression for v(t) = v0e^{5t}.
  • A later reply mentions the context of applying this to the drag equation, highlighting the practical application of the discussed concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to derive v(t) from a(v) and the necessity of integrating with respect to the initial conditions. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the interpretation and incorporation of the constant of integration.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in understanding how to incorporate the constant of integration dimensionally and the implications of initial conditions on the derived equations.

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Hello all. I have been struggling with this for a bit. I will present it as generally as I can.

Say I have an object with an initial velocity v0. It is only acted upon by an acceleration function, a(v), which is a function of v. How can I find a function for v(t)? Does this require a differential equation?
 
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By definition,

[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]

Since you know a(v), you can rearrange and integrate:

[tex]dt = \frac{dv}{a(v)}[/tex]

This will give you t as a function of v (if you can do the integral), which you can in principle invert to get v(t).
 
Mute said:
By definition,

[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]

Since you know a(v), you can rearrange and integrate:

[tex]dt = \frac{dv}{a(v)}[/tex]

This will give you t as a function of v (if you can do the integral), which you can in principle invert to get v(t).

Okay. Thanks for the start. Say for example I have a(v) = 5v, and initial velocity v0 = 10 m/s.

[tex]dt = \frac{dv}{a(v)}[/tex]
[tex]t = \int \! \frac{1}{a(v)} \, \mathrm{d}v = \! \frac{ln(v)}{5}[/tex]
[tex]v = e^{5t}[/tex]

This looks great so far; how do I incorporate an initial value?
 
KingNothing said:
This looks great so far; how do I incorporate an initial value?

You need a constant of integration when doing the integrals.
 
pwsnafu said:
You need a constant of integration when doing the integrals.

[tex]t = \int \! \frac{1}{a(v)} \, \mathrm{d}v = \! \frac{ln(v)}{5} + C[/tex]
[tex]v = e^{5t-5C}[/tex]

I'm still not totally sure how to incorporate it. It doesn't really make dimensional sense to just plug it in for C.
 
KingNothing said:
[tex]t = \int \! \frac{1}{a(v)} \, \mathrm{d}v = \! \frac{ln(v)}{5} + C[/tex]
[tex]v = e^{5t-5C}[/tex]

I'm still not totally sure how to incorporate it. It doesn't really make dimensional sense to just plug it in for C.

You know that at t=0, v=v_0. So, plug these into your formula for v and then solve for C. Or, in this case you just find that [itex]v_0 = e^{-5C}[/itex], so you can just replace the entire [itex]e^{-5C}[/itex] with v_0 to get [itex]v(t) = v_0e^{5t}[/itex].
 
Thank you guys so much! I get it now. Just an FYI, I was asking because I'm trying to use the drag equation, which when applied to an object of constant mass, is one such example of a velocity-dependent acceleration!
 

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