Finding vertex of a 3D Triangle on a Plane

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The discussion revolves around finding the third vertex of a triangle in a 3D space that lies on a specified plane, given the other two vertices and the distances from these vertices to the third vertex. The problem involves geometric reasoning and the implications of the equations governing the distances and the plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of finding the third vertex P(x, y, z) of a triangle defined by two known vertices P1 and P2, along with the distances L1 and L2 from these vertices to P.
  • Another participant suggests that there are likely two solutions based on a geometric argument involving drawing arcs centered at P1 and P2 with lengths L1 and L2.
  • A later reply agrees that there are two symmetric solutions for P across the line segment connecting P1 and P2.
  • One participant argues that there should be three equations to solve for P, including the plane equation and the two distance equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are two solutions for the position of P, but there is some contention regarding the number of equations needed to determine P and whether a unique solution is possible.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on geometric reasoning and the implications of having more unknowns than equations, which may affect the uniqueness of the solution.

Anand Sivaram
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3D Triangle third vertex on a Plane
I came across the following problem and wondering how to solve it.

There is a plane n1x + n2y + n3z + n4 = 0 where n1, n2, n3, n4 are known. The triangle is in this plane.
We already know the two vertices P1(x1, y1, z1), P2(x2, y2, z2) of the triangle.
Now we have to find the third vertex P(x, y, z) of the triangle on the plane
such that P1-P distance is L1 and P2-P distance is L2 and are known.

I tried to find the solution in a number of places and came across the following one, but I was wondering whether we could get a unique solution based on that. Because this solutions reaches the long equation and the plane equation already, that means two equations and three unknowns.
https://math.stackexchange.com/ques...le-with-known-plane-two-points-and-lengths-of

Is it possible to get a unique or two point solution for P? Any help would be really appreciated.
 
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I think the answer is there are two solutions as you surmised from a simple geometric argument using a compass and straightedge on a piece of paper. With the paper acting as the plane, draw a line segment on the paper as one edge of the triangle.

Drawing arcs centered on the endpoints of the line segment with the lengths L1 and L2. You will find two points, both solutions to your problem.
 
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Anand Sivaram said:
Is it possible to get a unique or two point solution for P?
Not a unique solution.
jedishrfu said:
Drawing arcs centered on the endpoints of the line segment with the lengths L1 and L2. You will find two points, both solutions to your problem.
Right, and the two solutions for P are symmetric across the line segment ##P_1P_2##.
 
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There should be three equations for P. P is on the plane and the two distance equations.
 
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