Finite Universe: Why Postulate an Infinite Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the universe's size and whether it is finite or infinite. Participants explore implications of the Big Bang theory, the observable universe, and the nature of space-time, considering both theoretical and cosmological perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why an infinite universe is postulated if the universe has been expanding for approximately 14 billion years, suggesting a limit to its size.
  • Another participant notes that while models predict the observable universe began from a very small state, they do not rule out the possibility of the entire universe being infinite in size.
  • A further contribution speculates that the Big Bang could have occurred infinitely long ago, proposing that this would imply an infinite amount of time for expansion and challenge the notion of a singularity at the Big Bang.
  • It is mentioned that while the observable universe is temporally finite, its spatial extent remains uncertain, and the Big Bang singularity is not constrained by current physical understanding.
  • One participant expresses a personal inclination towards the idea that our region of space-time is likely spatially finite, while also acknowledging the uncertainty regarding its origins from a potentially larger, infinite space-time.
  • Another point raised discusses the future trajectory of the universe, suggesting that it may approach infinite size over time, indicating a sense of infinity in that context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the finiteness or infiniteness of the universe, with no consensus reached on the nature of the universe's size or the implications of the Big Bang.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current models regarding the initial conditions of the universe and the nature of space-time, emphasizing the unresolved aspects of these discussions.

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If the approximate time since the big band is correct at about 14 billions years, then the universe should have a limit as to how far it has expanded/inflated. Why then do people still postulate an infinite universe ?
 
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Our models predict that the observable universe started out from a dense state smaller than a proton. However, the same models do not rule out that the whole universe (the observed universe plus the still unobserved part) did not start out infinite in size.
 
Thinking about this some more..cosmology and physics can take us back to a fraction of a second ATBB but says nothing about the BB itself. So though the physics takes us back 14 billion years that may be a fraction of the way back to the actual BB.

Am i right in thinking that the BB could have occurred an infinitely long time ago in which case it would have had an infinite amount of time to expand and there would not be a singularity at the BB as there was in fact no beginning ?
 
The observable universe is temporally finite. That does not mean it is spatially finite.
We cannot comment on the existence or extent of regions unobservable to us. The big bang 'singularity' is unbounded by physics as we know it.
 
1. We don't know how big our region of space-time started out as, as others have noted. Personally, I tend towards thinking that it is likely spatially finite.
2. We don't know whether or not it stemmed from a larger space-time. So space may well be infinite even if our region is not.
3. Extrapolating into the future, our universe will approach infinite size, so in a sense it is certainly infinite.
 

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