Finitely generated modules as free modules

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The discussion focuses on the properties of finitely generated modules over principal ideal domains (PIDs), particularly examining the relationship between finitely generated modules and free modules. Participants explore definitions, examples, and implications of these concepts in the context of algebraic structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the statement "Let M be a finitely generated, free R-module" is redundant, suggesting that all finitely generated R-modules should be free.
  • Another participant clarifies that while this is true for fields, it does not hold for rings like R = ℤ, where finitely generated modules can be non-free, citing ℤ₂ as an example.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of free modules, with one participant noting that a module is free if there exists a set such that the free module on that set is isomorphic to the module in question.
  • Participants discuss the concept of linear independence in the context of free modules, with one participant questioning whether a minimal generating set can be considered a basis.
  • Another participant introduces a more general question about whether finite-dimensional vector spaces over a field are isomorphic if they have the same cardinality, suggesting that this might hold for modules of rank ω.
  • A later reply confirms that two vector spaces are isomorphic if they have the same dimension, including for infinite cardinalities.
  • One participant provides an example of a linear transformation of a finite-dimensional vector space, arguing that it creates a module over a PID that is not free, highlighting the existence of torsion modules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the redundancy of the statement regarding finitely generated free modules, with some agreeing that not all finitely generated modules are free, while others explore the implications of linear independence and the nature of bases in this context. The discussion remains unresolved on some points, particularly regarding terminology and definitions.

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Participants note that the definitions and properties of modules can vary significantly depending on the underlying ring, and there are unresolved questions regarding the use of terms like "basis" and "dimension" in the context of modules over rings that are not fields.

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I'm reading up on the classification of finitely generated modules over principal ideal domains. In doing so, I continuously come up on the statement "Let M be a finitely generated, free R-module."

My question is, is this statement redundant? It seems to me that all finitely generated R-modules are necessarily free as R-modules. In particular, if M is an finitely generated R-module with minimal generating set A \subseteq M, then isn't the free R-module on A also M? Or am I missing a technical point?
 
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Hi Kreizhn! :smile:

What you say is certainly true if R is a field (thus if we're working with vector spaces), as every module is free there. But R doesn't need to be a field.

For example, let R=\mathbb{Z} here. Then the free modules are all of the form \mathbb{Z}^n. However, there are much more finitely generated modules. For example \mathbb{Z}_2 (the integers modulo 2) is certainly finitely generated, but it is not free.
 
Ah yes, because in this instance, 1 generates \mathbb Z_2 but the free module on the singleton would be \mathbb Z?
 
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Ah yes, because in this instance, 1 generates \mathbb Z_2 but the free module on the singleton would be \mathbb Z?

Indeed! :smile:
 
I think I know where I made the mistake in my logic. M is finitely generated over R if there is a surjective homomorphism R^{\oplus A} \to M for some finite subset A \subseteq M. On the other hand, M is free if there exists a set B such that R^{\oplus B} \to M is an isomorphism.

So for this example, certainly \mathbb Z \to \mathbb Z /2\mathbb Z is surjective, but there's no way this is could be an isomorphism.
 
On this note, I would be interested in making something clear.

When we think of free modules, does the word "free" essentially characterize the existence of a basis? Or is it possible for some modules to have a basis but not be free.

In the case of our \mathbb Z_2 example, I'm trying to think of whether {1} is a basis. Clearly {1} is a minimal generating set, but is it linearly independent? I feel that it isn't, since viewing \mathbb Z_2 as a \mathbb Z module, we have 2 \cdot 1 = 0. Is this correct?
 
Kreizhn said:
On this note, I would be interested in making something clear.

When we think of free modules, does the word "free" essentially characterize the existence of a basis? Or is it possible for some modules to have a basis but not be free.

In the case of our \mathbb Z_2 example, I'm trying to think of whether {1} is a basis. Clearly {1} is a minimal generating set, but is it linearly independent? I feel that it isn't, since viewing \mathbb Z_2 as a \mathbb Z module, we have 2 \cdot 1 = 0. Is this correct?

Hmm, I don't think we like using the word basis when not working in vector spaces. All free means is that there is an isomorphism \varphi:R^n\rightarrow M. I guess you could see \varphi(1,0,...,0),...,\varphi(0,0,...,1) as a basis of M. But we don't use that terminology (not sure why actually).

Anyway, what you do have is that a module is finitely generated and free if there exists a finite set \{x_1,...,x_n\} that generates the set and such that

\sum{r_i x_i=0}~\Rightarrow~r_i=0

I guess we can call this linearly independent. But it's not standard terminology.
 
I guess maybe the bases thing was a slight abuse of terminology, though I do have a definition of linear independence for general R-mods.

Let i: I \to M be a non-empty mapping from an index set I to an R-module M, and consider the free R-module on I denoted F^R(I). We know there is a canonical inclusion \iota: I \to F^R(I), and so by the universal property of free R-modules, it follows that there exists an R-module homomorphism \phi: F^R(I) \to M, such that i = \phi \circ \iota. If \phi is injective, then i: I \to M is linearly independent.

I guess this answers my question though, since again there's no way that \mathbb Z \to \mathbb Z_2 is injective. And I guess in particular, the kernel is the ideal 2 \mathbb Z.

Okay, maybe a better question then. We know that all finite dimensional k-vector spaces (for k a field) are isomorphic. Does this hold in general for any given cardinals? Namely, let V and W be vector spaces whose module rank is both the cardinal \omega, is it necessary that V \cong_k W as k-vector spaces?

I use module rank because I'm not sure if "dimension" is appropriate in this context. I want to say that this is true, since if V and W are free k-modules of rank \omega then there are isomorphisms k^{\oplus A} \to V, k^{\oplus B} \to W where |A|=|B| = \omega. But then there is a set bijection A \to B, so I figure this must make k^{\oplus A} \cong k^{\oplus B} making V and W isomorphic as k-vector spaces.

I've never seen this stated though, so I question whether or not I've done something wrong.
 
Yes, this is true! Two vector spaces are equal if and only if they have the same dimension (=module rank). This holds for infinite cardinalities as well!

So if V and W both have dimension \aleph_0, then they are isomorphic!
 
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Excellent. Thanks so much.
 
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Kreizhn said:
I'm reading up on the classification of finitely generated modules over principal ideal domains. In doing so, I continuously come up on the statement "Let M be a finitely generated, free R-module."

My question is, is this statement redundant? It seems to me that all finitely generated R-modules are necessarily free as R-modules. In particular, if M is an finitely generated R-module with minimal generating set A \subseteq M, then isn't the free R-module on A also M? Or am I missing a technical point?

Here is an important example that you might like to think about.

A linear transformation of a finite dimensional vector space makes the vector space into a module over the ring of polynomials with coefficients in the base field. Since the ring of polynomials over a field is a principal ideal domain, the vector space is now a finitely generated module over a PID.

The module structure is x.v = L(v) then extend by linearity to all of the polynomials.

This module is not free. In fact it is a torsion module.
 

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